US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

No one is required to agree to bargaining proposals.

Everyone is required to abide by arbitrations specified in contracts they are a party to.

 

[Phoenix]

Really?? Have you been listening to James (I scabbed Continental) Ray??

The SCOTUS has never commented on anything usapa.

However, the 9th has warned usapa that if they make it "unquestionably ripe", that there is plenty of SCOTUS precedence that usapa will "suffer the pain".

Also, the West is not usapa's "legal opponent". The West is merely a very large portion of the class for which usapa has the right (and duty) to bargain. And, yes there are many SCOTUS rulings on what that means, and it means it does not look good for the little lawyers failed strategy.

Wide range of reasonableness

 

[Phoenix]

Everyone is required to abide by arbitrations specified in contracts.

If you weren't being paid ALPA wages maybe you could have bought a suit and briefed the 9th that Wake's injunction should not have been dismissed.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Yeah, keep hanging your hat on that one... Keep it right beside "SCOTUS ruled..."

Jim

 

[traderjake]

If you weren't being paid ALPA wages maybe you could have bought a suit and briefed the 9th that Wake's injunction should not have been dismissed.

The 9th ruled the case wasn't ripe, no argument there.

Do you mean ALPA negotiated Delta wages?

 

[traderjake]

Wide range of reasonableness

Barton Brands holds that a union may not juggle the seniority roster for no reason other than to advance one group of employees over another. The change must rationally promote the aggregate welfare of employees in the bargaining unit. 529 F.2d at 800.

Enjoy LOA 93 wages while you attempt to juggle.

 

[cleardirect]

I think most people accept that the TA is legally a collective bargaining agreement under the RLA. The question is can it be changed? Is it the same as any other section? Does the law allow the union to negotiate it?

I'd have to go back and look, but I think Szymanski says that it is a collective bargaining agreement.

Have you read the briefs?

Sure. What would be the legitimate union purpose for changing it? If you can give the court a legitimate reason that benefits ALL US Airways pilots give it a try.

Can usapa get the company to agree to a change that would benefit ALL US Airways pilots?

 

[cleardirect]

There is plenty of blame to go around. Plenty on the east and I've said that. But had nic come in just a little this side of what he did, maybe listened to Brucia, I don't think we would be here. The same questions I asked ahole, how do those actions HELP?

So how are you voting for now that Cleary/Mowery aren't running? I'm guessing Hummel/Bradford.

So if 300 more furloughed at the time F/O's were paced above Dave O'Dell you and the rest of the east would have been OK with the Nicolau?

I seriously doubt that.

 

[Metroyet]

Wide range of reasonableness

Meaningless. Utterly and completely meaningless. The last 5 years and your W2 ought to be enough to prove that to you.

 

[Pi brat]

I'll tell you this. What does cheering the injunction have to do with "fighting Everything"? Plus, it seems you like to lump all westies together just as much as you dislike all easties being lumped together...

Jim

Do you think cheering the injunction and advertising that you are willing to strike is helping get a good contract? It's a simple question, like have you read the brief, yet you don't answer, you just throw out a herring. Like "Plus, it seems you like to lump all westies together just as much as you dislike all easties being lumped together... " Love they lol, but when did I lump every westie together? I said MSU and his friends, but let me assure you, all west pilots are not his friends, if the PMs I've gotten are any indication.

It's okay Jim, I understand why you don't give a simple answer.

There you go old Jimbob, is that better?

 

[Pi brat]

So if 300 more furloughed at the time F/O's were paced above Dave O'Dell you and the rest of the east would have been OK with the Nicolau?

I seriously doubt that.

No, they would not have been okay with it, but they may have lived with it. Do you read any of boeing boys posts? He is still mad about the PI/US SLI twenty plus years later. But, I believe the 16+ years of service guy put behind a guy fresh out of indoc. was the tipping point. We will never know, will we?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Do you think cheering the injunction and advertising that you are willing to strike is helping get a good contract?

I didn't know that getting a good contract was "EVERYTHING."

Jim

 

[cactusboy53]

Any West posters:

Care to comment on or make a recommendation for any West Pilots who have accepted nominations?

Voting opens today. Closes on the 23rd. You can always log back in and change your vote as often as you wish. The PHX based nominees will be putting out campaign videos shortley (I've heard). I would recomend that you take the time to watch and research what all candidates have to offer and claim. Further, who has a plan and how they plan on the execution of said plan.

If you are looking for a recommendation list, please feel free to go to www.reformusapa.com.

Kindest Regards,

CB

 

[Pi brat]

I didn't know that getting a good contract was "EVERYTHING."

Jim

Another stellar retort! And another smiley. Thanks pops, you are one golly fellar.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I said MSU and his friends, but let me assure you, all west pilots are not his friends, if the PM I've gotten are any indication.

So 1 PM proves something...never mind, I assume it does to you. I'd venture to say that Move considers all westies as his friends...maybe even a few easties too...

Jim