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Hey MSU. You didn't comment on my post about what was really sad about AA's offer was that it is better than the Kirby proposal. Am I right? Am I looking at the right thing?

$160 for a 320/321 at signing bumping to $173 after 60 months.
$205 for a 767 and greater bumping to $220.

vs.

$146 going to $152
$177 going to $184 for the corresponding A/C on the Kirby

A319 is lower than Kirby, but not by much $139 to $150

What am I missing, I just skimmed it. Are there LOA 93 type freeze and reductions in there?
 
They did bring something to the merger, the right to move into a vacated slot prior to any outside pilot.
When your airline went out of business and was merged into LCC there became no such thing as an "outside" pilot.
 
"You haven't seen a "big" airplane in almost 20 years. What is your point?

Driver..."

Don't worry. The video is obviously fake, since according to some east pilots "America West never had 747's". Besides, those rookie west pilots would never have had the skills to manage such an awesome air machine. They probably paid some real pilots to fly that thing around for advertising.

Nice regional jet.

Fokker%20F28%20US-Air.JPG
 
Don't worry. The video is obviously fake, since according to some east pilots "America West never had 747's". Besides, those rookie west pilots would never have had the skills to manage such an awesome air machine. They probably paid some real pilots to fly that thing around for advertising.

Nice regional jet.

Fokker%20F28%20US-Air.JPG

Well, so-so regional jet. Often hot, always noisy and not as dependable as the Boeings. But, you know what was great about it? PI got them for a song, put them on the mainline which allowed rapid route and upgrade opportunities. I made more on it than our E190 captain make today, with a much better contract. That whole package probably made that RJ captain as well compensated as those few 747 captains of yours.

AWA had to contract our their Fokkers to Mesa, even with their lousy contract.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/America-West-Express/Fokker-70-%28F-28-0070%29/1284583/&sid=9dceb50f8081fdac5c4ce34e27a1b0ee
 
What's with you MSU? No comment on the AA proposal vs. the Kirby? You are usually so quick.
 
Negotiations and the NMB 02/03/2012
Negotiations and the NMB
We have received notice that the NMB will take a break from overseeing our contract negotiations. While we hope that it will not be a prolonged break, it is possible that the break could last several months. During this break in the NMB mediation process, nothing prevents us from continuing to negotiate with Management and, in fact, we have made a request to continue our monthly negotiating sessions.
So how did we get to this point?
It has been obvious to us for quite some time that Management's only interest is an agreement based on the Kirby Proposal from nearly five years ago. We have categorically rejected that proposal as being inadequate, as did our predecessor. In other words, it's not a matter of who is sitting across the table from them but the fact that, up to the present, they have been unwilling to agree on anything of substance other than an agreement that keeps US Airways pilots at the bottom of the industry in pay and benefits.
Why doesn't the NMB release us?
The NMB has indicated that there are still too many open issues on the table to declare an impasse and release the parties. While there may be many open issues, we don't feel that anyone can point the finger at USAPA for not doing our part to resolve the issues. Time and time again we have proposed solutions only to have Management reject them without presenting any new ideas of their own. Using sick leave as an example, we have proposed no less than eight different approaches to close out this section, and each time, Management has done nothing but insert their old language. We are more than frustrated by this tactic and had hoped the NMB would also share our frustration.
We envisioned that the process would strongly encourage each side to reach agreement on open items, but that has not occurred. We feel that USAPA has definitely made the effort to uphold our end of the process, but if the other side is unwilling to do the same then the only way to move the process is to capitulate (Kirby), and we have heard from you time and time again that this is not an option.
Where do we go from here?
While the NMB takes a break from our negotiations we seek to engage Management in two-party negotiations. You may ask why we would do that considering what we have said above, but if we don't try it's guaranteed that there won't be any progress. While these negotiations may appear to have hit an immovable brick wall, often the only way to take down a wall is to chip away at it piece by piece --understanding, however, that the best result occurs when both sides are working on the wall in unison. While the NMB has suggested that the pilots need to resolve the seniority issue before an agreement can be achieved, we continue to believe that the seniority dispute shouldn't hinder the pace of negotiations; there is plenty to talk about other than Section 22. From our point of view, there is no reason the parties cannot continue to work towards a full and complete agreement.
Now, more than ever, the unified resolve of the pilot group is essential to meeting our goals-- your goals. Stay strong, stay unified, and stay engaged.
Paul DiOrio - Chairman
704-340-5098
pdiorio@usairlinepilots.org
Dean Colello
704-307-9768
dcolello@usairlinepilots.org
Or reach us both at: NAC@usairlinepilots.org


Dear USAPA,

An un-unified pilot group as envisioned by USAPA's founders has no leverage, and no hope in hell of being released, despite their promises to the contrary.

"Now, more than ever, the unified resolve of the pilot group is essential to meeting our goals-- your goals. Stay strong, stay unified, and stay engaged."

Are you listening to yourselves? A unified pilot group is essential to meeting your goals.

"We will have an industry leading contract in 90 days." - USAPA

5 years later the pilot group has donated almost a billion dollars in lost wages and benefits to US Airways management, and seems puzzled at to why the NMB won't help more with negotiations. Confused as to why the company won't negotiate in good faith.

Sad, sad, sad.
 
If anyone wants to see an objective view of where we stand, check out Tom Horton's comments on USAirways. While we argue back and forth about big airplanes and little airplanes, the true big boys make fun of the whole lot of us.
 
Because you have never answered, except for "Seriously though, and I haven't checked for anything new today, USAPA is heading for something akin to the injunction hearing."
Silly me - I mistakenly thought that telling you what I thought of the filings would be a clue that maybe I read them. Gave you too much credit I guess... :lol:

Jim
 
If anyone wants to see an objective view of where we stand, check out Tom Horton's comments on USAirways. While we argue back and forth about big airplanes and little airplanes, the true big boys make fun of the whole lot of us.

" I'm not sure what's in the water out there in Phoenix," Horton told the newspaper. "Maybe it's the cactus. I don't know what it is."

Describing US Airways, Horton said: "This is a small company very strategically limited, I would argue -- not any international flying, hubs of less strategic importance.
 
Silly me - I mistakenly thought that telling you what I thought of the filings would be a clue that maybe I read them. Gave you too much credit I guess... :lol:

Jim

I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about what you thought of USAPA's plan, not necessarily the filings. Again, typical you, worthless crap stirring b.s.
 
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