US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Exactly. So all of your east candidates can't deliver without accepting the Nic.

And none have stated they'd accept the Nic.

Reminds me of that 90 days to a contract promise. LMAO.

 

[nic4us]

That was true for a few months after NIC came out.

Now, years later nobody cares what was going on back then.

Right now if I vote for anything that contains NIC or candidates that support NIC it hurts me. Right now if the bottom 1/3 of the active east list votes for anything NIC they are voting to be stapled below 1600 west pilots. It really is that simple.

As long as the battlecry is "NIC unmolested" it will always be this way till the very very very last court battle is fought, whatever year that may be.

You accuse the east of ignoring what happened years ago. What AOL is ignoring is the current situation and the harm that east pilots will be doing to their quality of life and future prospects. They send flyers out etc. For 1/3 of the recepient list of those flyers NIC puts 1600 pilots senior to them that are not senior right now. For the other 2/3 it is a sliding scale of of 1500, 1400, 1300, 1200 etc as it moves up the list.

It's not 2005 or 2007, and there is no way to get pilots to vote like it is.

Next time thru CLT or PHL stop an East F/O and ask him if he feels like NIC would be a staple job for him/her? Most of the active east F/O's fall into the group that is at the bottom of the list under every west pilot on NIC even though their hire dates range from 1988 to 2008. Does not matter to them if they were furloughed or not even hired at the time NIC came out. They have a vote, and voting for NIC is bad for them.

Right or wrong that is the situation. Telling some guy to vote to put 1600 pilots above him because thats what some old guy said should be done 6 years ago is like telling a voter this coming november to "Vote for Bush" It is irrelevant to the voters current situation. Ignoring the current voter base as AOL is doing will never get this sorted out, and the more newhires we get on the property only makes it even more irrelevant at the polls.

You have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a rats rear what a reneging scumbag who has stolen another pilots job thinks.

Yep, this ain't 2005 or 2007, this is 2012 and the damages started in 2008 when the scab union was elected to protect the scab interest.

The remedy is coming this year, and you are not going to like it.


Everybody needs to ask themselves a very simple question. Why did the company file the DJ after the 9th ruled? Has anyone actually seen the letter Marty Harper wrote to the company? I do not recall ever reading that letter. Anybody got a copy? I am thinking that not only did Harper tell Parker you accept anything other than the Nic and my clients are suing, but he likely also told Parker, that the company had best get proactive, ( say within 60 days) and do something to put an end to this , otherwise we sue right now. It is obvious the company is taking advantage of the situation and enjoying usapa's DFR behavior of forcing seperate ops. The question becomes, when does the statute of limitations end the West pilot's right to sue over that breach? So, LCC was on the hook right then, and the damages carry a pricetag the company cannot afford, hence, company's request for DJ is only them sheltering themselves from the massive DFR heading usapa's way that has nothing to do with seniority.

Know of any unions who negotiated in bad faith and were recently parked by the NMB?

 

[Pi brat]

Many out east ate done playing and the positive east response to Eric's campaign is telling.

Want to clean that up and get back to me?

Too bad EF doesn't resonate with you.

 

[Pi brat]

So when SCOTUS refuses to hear your case, then what?

THEN...We're done. The Nic is section 22. Finish the best contract we can and put it out for a vote.

 

[Move2CLT]

Want to clean that up and get back to me?

Too bad EF doesn't resonate with you.

Seriously? You need that much help figuring it out?

 

[Pi brat]

Seriously? You need that much help figuring it out?

Seriously. "Many out east ate done playing". Whatever that is, I don't speak it.

 

[Move2CLT]

Wow, dumber by the post Pi.

Like I say, when the argument fails they always go for the grammar.

Right on sched Pi.

Sched = schedule BTW.

 

[Pi brat]

Ok, MSU. I see you cleaned it up and now I understand. So what has the positive response been? Have they gotten the website fully running so we can see comments? Is the cash flowing in from the east?

BTW that wasn't a grammar problem, it made no sense and I really, really want to know what you really, really mean. How was that?

 

[Move2CLT]

You're welcome. I forget that an eastie's ability to use logic and reason to figure something out is severely retarded and I should have been on top of my spelling.

And yes. Money has been coming in to both AoL and now EF's campaign. Though a very small amount, I anticipate it will grow as there are easties that have been generous to Leonidas.

And the comments are well wishes for a win the first time around.

 

[cleardirect]

OK so who has been arguing the wrong side of this discussion?

You guys here post that the ninth decided and you clearly won the Addington case. Yet McKee the presidential hopeful and Cleary butt kisser says this.

This is the same Lee Seham who focused the Addington case on the duty of fair representation and completely failed to argue the salient legal points that, “as a newly certified bargaining representative, USAPA is absolutely entitled to negotiate seniority without regard to anything that the prior representative may have agreed to, including the Nicolau Award”. None of us should forget that the errors in this litigation cost our pilots and USAPA millions of dollars as we lost our case at trial and were forced to barely escape at the Appeals Court with a 2 to 1 decision.

McKee says you lost the Addington case and barely escaped the ninth. Not the total and complete victory you guys are telling the world it was.

Who is right? Did usapa win completely and McKee wrong? Is McKee right and the posters wrong?

usapa communication had been saying the SCOTUS agrees with the union. McKee does not mention the SCOTUS. Does McKee not read the propaganda?

Guess McKee changed his mind from July 2010.

The 9th Circuit Rules!!!!

Obviously this topic is not news to you, but it should give you pause to reflect on what a significant victory this was for USAPA in our ongoing effort to defend the rights of all of our pilots, both East and West. Especially in light of the fact that we are a new union and there are some 'out there' – and unfortunately 'in here' – that for various reasons want to see USAPA fail. Because of these facts, we are grateful to all of you who have continued to believe for years that we deserved a better pilot union and a better life as a result of that union. Our long-term dream became our reality. The three of us are honored you chose us to represent you. Thank you.

Was it a significant victory or barely escaped? Depends on McKee's loyalty to the lawyer. Now that Seham is on the outs he thinks it was a loss. When Cleary thought Seham was the bomb McKee thought it was a victory.

Vote for McKee you get a 2 for 1 deal. Cleary with his hand up McKee's ass making him talk. Vote for McKee and 3 more years of Cleary running the show going nowhere. We know who the angry F/O club is going to vote for.

 

[Pi brat]

Your welcome. I forget that an eastie's ability to use logic and reason to figure something out is severely retarded and I should have been on top of my spelling.

And yes. Money has been coming in to both AoL and now EF's campaign. Though a very small amount, I anticipate it will grow as there are easties that have been generous to Leonidas.

And the comments are well wishes for a win the first time around.

Typical MSU, screw something up and blame it on someone else because they don't play Wheel of Fortune.

Good for them. One thing they are really good at is begging.

 

[Move2CLT]

Typical MSU, screw something up and blame it on someone else because they don't play Wheel of Fortune.

Good for them. One thing they are really good at is begging.

Please don't play victim. I know it's in your nature but fight it!

I wasn't blaming but merely trying to push you into using some common sense to figure something out.

YOU CAN DO IT!!

And as for begging, those contributions coming from the east are unsolicited. Imagine that.

If you want begging, watch a crew news in CLT. The begging for parity is pathetic.

And hilarious.

 

[Phoenix]

OK so who has been arguing the wrong side of this discussion?

You guys here post that the ninth decided and you clearly won the Addington case. Yet McKee the presidential hopeful and Cleary butt kisser says this.



McKee says you lost the Addington case and barely escaped the ninth. Not the total and complete victory you guys are telling the world it was.

Who is right? Did usapa win completely and McKee wrong? Is McKee right and the posters wrong?

usapa communication had been saying the SCOTUS agrees with the union. McKee does not mention the SCOTUS. Does McKee not read the propaganda?

Guess McKee changed his mind from July 2010.



Was it a significant victory or barely escaped? Depends on McKee's loyalty to the lawyer. Now that Seham is on the outs he thinks it was a loss. When Cleary thought Seham was the bomb McKee thought it was a victory.

Vote for McKee you get a 2 for 1 deal. Cleary with his hand up McKee's ass making him talk. Vote for McKee and 3 more years of Cleary running the show going nowhere. We know who the angry F/O club is going to vote for.

Your endorsement of McKee is eclipsed only by the CLT-or-bust-UHaul wannabe. 😉

 

[Move2CLT]

Your endorsement of McKee is eclipsed only by the CLT-or-bust-UHaul wannabe. 😉

You must really like McKee because you keep projecting your preference forf him unto others.

Why do you want him to win so badly?

 

[cleardirect]

You must really like McKee because you keep projecting your preference forf him unto others.

Why do you want him to win so badly?

McKee's demographic. Junior furloughed angry F/O club. Cleary supporter.