US Pilots Labor Discussion

[CallawayGolf]

No we don't agree in what world does 20 years = 6mos, Oh I forgot, yours! You are correct about 1 thing, nonsense is your only sense! MM!

Sure we agree. I quoted you verbatim. You didn't say, "20-years is 20-years and 6-months is 6-months". Rather you confirmed that 20-years at AAA is equivalent to 6-months at HP. Here, I'll quote you verbatim again, "20 years is 20years at AAA 6mos at HP, Yea you got it !"

The world of seniority runs on a very different clock than anything you would find NIST. Time of service at company A can mean something very different than it means at company B, C, or D. Seniority can only be gained by having junior people join after you. That might take days or weeks at some companies. It might take years at others. And for still others even a couple of decades gains precious little in terms of a seniority position. Senior means senior regardless of DOH and junior means junior regardless of DOH. It all depends on the company. AAA was no place to be if your goal was to gain seniority and you were hired in 1984 or later. HP was a pretty good place to be if you wanted to gain seniority regardless of when you were hired.

Now, how oh how would a wise and experienced neutral arbitrator put companies A & B together in terms of seniority status when both companies can be very different? That's right, by relative position on a combined list.

 

[BoeingBoy]

If you can send me a copy of your contract with AWA where they promise you a block by this date, an upgrade by this date, the left seat of a widebody by this date, then we can carry on. Otherwise I'm not interested.

Only if you can send a contract where US promises every pilot a wide-body captain job or being at the top of the list prior to retirement...otherwise why should the west be interested. As you put it earlier, something along the line of "I've been preparing for failure for 20 years." Isn't that 13 years before the merger? Why should the West pay for what happened to you during those 13 years...

Jim

 

[Beancounter]

Round and round she goes.......we've had this discussion. If you can send me a copy of your contract with AWA where they promise you a block by this date, an upgrade by this date, the left seat of a widebody by this date, then we can carry on. Otherwise I'm not interested.

The term windfall seems offensive to you. Perhaps we stop using that and other offensive terms like scab, scumbag, thief, etc. Deal?

What are you talking about? It's common knowledge we were hiring, you were furloughing. What planet do you live on?

 

[Pi brat]

Rumor only:

Runoff:

Ferguson/Hummel
Koontz/Bradford
Holmes/Smeyzer

elected:
Strebel
All 3 appeal west

 

[fodase]

Rumor only:

Runoff:

Ferguson/Hummel
Koontz/Bradford
Holmes/Smeyzer
Strebel
All 3 appeal west

The west won hands down, are you suprised at usapa has done?

 

[Pi brat]

The west won hands down, are you suprised at usapa has done?

What do you mean?

 

[Move2CLT]

Rumor only:

Runoff:

Ferguson/Hummel
Koontz/Bradford
Holmes/Smeyzer

elected:
Strebel
All 3 appeal west

That would be my guess.

Impressed that you got that out so quickly.

Looks like RR is staying.

 

[Beancounter]

Actually they are trying to overturn them. They are questioning 181 votes placed by east pilots for the west candidate, they actually want to call all 181 of them and ask if they meant to vote for eric. These scum bags are something else

I take it you're joking, since that would be illegal. Oh, wait a second, you are talking about a union that has no comprehension of right and wrong.

 

[Pi brat]

What are you talking about? It's common knowledge we were hiring, you were furloughing. What planet do you live on?

I'm here on good old earth, you? I have to wonder because if you thought AWA was going to cruise on along it's path with $100 a barrel oil and the worst recession since the depression then you are on another planet or drugs. You weren't working for SWA and even they are not growing like they were. Reality, check it out.

 

[Move2CLT]

I take it you're joking, since that would be illegal. Oh, wait a second, you are talking about a union that has no comprehension of right and wrong.

The votes are deidentified and USAPA does not have access to who voted for whom.

 

[Pi brat]

That would be my guess.

Impressed that you got that out so quickly.

Looks like RR is staying.

That's what the janitor at Target told me, it could be wrong.

 

[Move2CLT]

That's what the janitor at Target told me, it could be wrong.

Your janitor is a pretty good source. The west owns the appeal board.

So are all the McKee fans going to vote for Hummel or just not vote at all?

 

[Beancounter]

Your janitor is a pretty good source. The west owns the appeal board.

So are all the McKee fans going to vote for Hummel or just not vote at all?

Still haven't seen anything. Own the board? I thought the whole idea behind this was to move forward and do what is best for all US pilots.

 

[Move2CLT]

The following positions have been determined by the results of the election:

Secretary-Treasurer Rob Streble

Appeal Board Afshin "AC" Iranpour Mitch Vasin Patrick O'Neill

There will be a runoff for the following positions:

President Gary Hummel, Eric Ferguson

Vice President Stephen Bradford, Jeff Koontz

Executive Vice President Steve Smyser, Ken Holmes

The runoff election will open 0001 ET, March 1, 2012, and close at 1400 ET, March 22, 2012. All members will receive a Voting Notice and Instructions when the runoff election opens.

 

[Beancounter]

The following positions have been determined by the results of the election:

Secretary-Treasurer Rob Streble

Appeal Board Afshin "AC" Iranpour Mitch Vasin Patrick O'Neill

There will be a runoff for the following positions:

President Gary Hummel, Eric Ferguson

Vice President Stephen Bradford, Jeff Koontz

Executive Vice President Steve Smyser, Ken Holmes

The runoff election will open 0001 ET, March 1, 2012, and close at 1400 ET, March 22, 2012. All members will receive a Voting Notice and Instructions when the runoff election opens.

Thanks,

Interesting that they forced a run off. So if I understand it correctly, previous McKee voters will switch to Hummel, and the top positions will probably go east. Verrrrrrry Sneeeeeeeeaaaakkkyyyyy.