US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

But not the job they could have held. So, the CO vs. FO retirement argument loses steam when you take into account the FO's that choose to be FO's on the big iron. A junior pilot does not care where a guy retires from, just that the guy had a slot on the SYSTEM seniority list higher than him. An FO fulfills that requirement, if he is senior. That's all I'm sayin. The westies blather about FOs retiring not creating CO slots for junior guys to move into, but that is not the case on the east.
Cheers.

Blah, blah, blah. Big iron, blah, blah blah wide bodies.

There is a total of 494 767-330 F/O positions. So unless you are in the top 35% of the seniority list you will never fly them anyway.

The chances of flying captain on a WB is even smaller 292 out of 1149. Unless you are going to be in the top 25% you are never going to fly WB. Get used to the idea that a MAJORITY you guys know that word are never going to fly WB separate ops or combined. Get over yourselves.

 

[nic4us]

C- for spelling. Spelled "Whining".
AOL needs to hire a better caliber of shill.

and usapa needs to understand the "caliber" of their juniority.

But why bother when they can just steal a West pilots job as you promote doing.

 

[PullUp]

Said the reneging malcontent who has stolen a West job and put a West pilot and his family on the street.

Lets make one thing perfectly clear. The West has, and always will support the position of bettering the entire pilot group. That means improved pay and working conditions for all.

It is the reneging east that looks to trick screw the system and steal something that is not theirs.

No one has stolen anything from anyone. And the 9th circuit said so. That west pilot on the street has been offered employment and has CHOSEN (maybe for lifestyle) to remain furloughed. Hey, if that's what they want, go for it.
So far I haven't read or heard anything from any westie that purports to enhance any east guy's life.
I seem to recall the west not supporting parity. Then laughing like hyenas over taking an equal portion of profit sharing. Now the big joke is that the west controls the appeals board - good luck with grievances easties! Nice guys, you westies.
And the westies on this board espouse putting east families on the street, moving in and taking their jobs.
Every day.
Outline the west approach, post-seniority decision ('cause the courts will decide, not us), for improving the east pilot's lot in life.
I haven't heard anything thus far except "Accept the Nic and all will be well".
It's just west BS.

 

[PullUp]

Blah, blah, blah. Big iron, blah, blah blah wide bodies.

There is a total of 494 767-330 F/O positions. So unless you are in the top 35% of the seniority list you will never fly them anyway.

The chances of flying captain on a WB is even smaller 292 out of 1149. Unless you are going to be in the top 25% you are never going to fly WB. Get used to the idea that a MAJORITY you guys know that word are never going to fly WB separate ops or combined. Get over yourselves.

Ah, but with Nic, the pilots that would hold those slots under normal attrition and separate ops would not be able to bid them because a westie with 13 years less time employed has moved ahead of them and taken it.
So, under the Nic, the west is stealing east jobs.
Touche.

 

[PullUp]

and usapa needs to understand the "caliber" of their juniority.

But why bother when they can just steal a West pilots job as you promote doing.

With westies flying 24% of "traditional east flying", I would question who is the thief.

 

[traderjake]

So, under the Nic, the west is stealing east jobs.

When you make a guy who was a Reserve F/O senior to a Captain on the same airplane it's clear to everyone but a USAPA supporter who the thief is.

 

[cleardirect]

With westies flying 24% of "traditional east flying", I would question who is the thief.

I would question your math. Filing false information with the court can find usapa's butt in the wringer.

 

[PullUp]

I would question your math. Filing false information with the court can find usapa's butt in the wringer.

This is according to Mr. Parker and Mr. Kirby during videotaped sessions. I don't have a reason to doubt their veracity.
What up with "filing false information"...this is not a court. Far from it....

 

[PullUp]

When you make a guy who was a Reserve F/O senior to a Captain on the same airplane it's clear to everyone but a USAPA supporter who the thief is.

But nobody wants to move to PHX, just like you westies don't want to "Move2CLT"?
Pure BS.
But whatever will be, will be - and this board and it's participants really have no say in the matter, especially me.
Cheers.

 

[nevergiveup]

When you make a guy who was a Reserve F/O senior to a Captain on the same airplane it's clear to everyone but a USAPA supporter who the thief is.

Only if he moves to a west crew base and flies as a captain.

 

[traderjake]

Only if he moves to a west crew base and flies as a captain.

Not true.

If USAirways furloughs 1000 pilots how many are going to be East pilots if USAPA gets DOH?

 

[PullUp]

Not true.

If USAirways furloughs 1000 pilots how many are going to be East pilots if USAPA gets DOH?

If they furlough 1000 pilots when combined attrition is over 250/year, this place is toast anyway.
Whoever gets furloughed first gets to send out the first resume.

 

[Move2CLT]

With westies flying 24% of "traditional east flying", I would question who is the thief.

LMAO.

Where did you get those numbers?

 

[mrbreeze]

But why bother when they can just steal a West pilots job as you promote doing.

Question, Nic,

Please explain your statement.

When you refer to a West pilot's job, are you saying that an East pilot is trying to move to PHX and take a position there, or are you saying that you deserve a higher position in the East and that the East pilots are stealing that from you?

You have made this statement many times......just trying to get a better handle on your position.

breeze

 

[Keroseneuser]

Question, Nic,

Please explain your statement.

When you refer to a West pilot's job, are you saying that an East pilot is trying to move to PHX and take a position there, or are you saying that you deserve a higher position in the East and that the East pilots are stealing that from you?

You have made this statement many times......just trying to get a better handle on your position.

breeze

I think what he means is that the west has 400 ish retirements in the next 9 years and the east has 1700 ish retirements in the next 9 years and he is pissed that USAPA has not accepted the NIC award so he can get in on the easts 1700 retirements they brought to the merger instead of waiting for the 400 that the west brough to the merger. So therefore he is saying the east is stealing west jobs.

They talk a good line about this and that but in the end it is all about attrition. The "what if USAirways furloughs 1000 pilots" is just to deflect what the true issue is between our groups. If we furlough 1000 pilots when we only have around 4400 active pilots it is not going to matter. that is the end of USAirways.

Here is one that you wont get any west takers for. We use the NIC list but fence the retirements on each side. East Captain retires East F/O takes his seat, West captain retires west F/O takes his seat. Captain seats triggered by growth go per NIC list. If they were worried about east stealing seats they should be all over something like this.

I am positive we can pass NIC with no problems if the above attrition protection was put in place. Now we will see about 50 posts from west guys bashing me for even suggesting such a foul idea etc etc etc.