US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nevergiveup]

What's just "wrong" is making a Reserve F/O senior to a Captain on the same airplane.

It's also wrong to spell the word "wrong" wrong.

Are you refering to allowing the west FOs to leap ahead on the East list as Captains as done by the NIC?

 

[PullUp]

The first step will be to stop the endless fear mongering that is only used to keep weak leaders in power. West leadership is all about rebuilding unity on a solid foundation, not merely renting someone's loyalty by promising them something they know cannot be delivered. And with that unity, the pilots can negotiate an industry leading contract. I am not convinced the first one will be industry leading, nor should anyone expect that USAPA's salted earth policies will wash away immediately.

But only Ferguson and Koontz have committed to altering the course of labor relations towards a productive future for ALL US pilots.

Yeah, just look at Move2CLT's (Koontz) comments over the last 12 months. That is the kind of consideration we are going to get if he gets elected.
Also consider the gloating recently about the west controlling the appeals board - the east grievances will not be considered, giving the company the green light to unilaterally change work rules without any worry about a grievance.
I have not read anything about how Fergy & Move2 are going to enhance my future - in fact, just the opposite.

 

[Metroyet]

Yeah, just look at Move2CLT's (Koontz) comments over the last 12 months. That is the kind of consideration we are going to get if he gets elected.
Also consider the gloating recently about the west controlling the appeals board - the east grievances will not be considered, giving the company the green light to unilaterally change work rules without any worry about a grievance.
I have not read anything about how Fergy & Move2 are going to enhance my future - in fact, just the opposite.

You mean exactly how the East occupied appeals board treated the West? Your Chickens coming home to roosts.

 

[Freighterguynow]

The first step will be to stop the endless fear mongering that is only used to keep weak leaders in power. West leadership is all about rebuilding unity on a solid foundation, not merely renting someone's loyalty by promising them something they know cannot be delivered. And with that unity, the pilots can negotiate an industry leading contract. I am not convinced the first one will be industry leading, nor should anyone expect that USAPA's salted earth policies will wash away immediately.

But only Ferguson and Koontz have committed to altering the course of labor relations towards a productive future for ALL US pilots.

You got about 6 East votes for the AOL/ Leading contract/ Nic award ticket.

Try to accept that.

 

[Zone5]

You know, we are pretty tired of doing YOUR research for you (over, and over, and over, and over again). Please refer to the Addington trial transcripts:

Page 1275 of the Addington trial transcripts by JACK STEPHAN:

Q: And in your other discussions with the company, had you received some informal indication that they might be able --might be willing to go up as high as 7 or 10 percent above the West rate?
A. Nothing in writing.

Crack a book college boy, or better yet....read the Nicolau transcripts, award, and ALL the other court documents. Educate yourself, the truth shall set you FREE.

OK, a verbal "informal Indication" of what the company "might be willing" to do.

Sure glad I didn't rush out and spend that money!

seajay

 

[Zone5]

Then you're wrong again but it should feel normal by now. ALPA's BOD said that the policy was followed and Nic said it wasn't a windfall.

Jim

Maybe then, but why has ALPA changed their merger policy to incorporate LOS and call for a three man panel of arbitrators to settle SLI disputes?

Could it be that even they realized they did not want to see another NIC in the future?


seajay

 

[Res Judicata]

Maybe then, but why has ALPA changed their merger policy to incorporate LOS and call for a three man panel of arbitrators to settle SLI disputes?

Could it be that even they realized they did not want to see another NIC in the future?


seajay

Keep grasping.

 

[prechilill]

Mike Cleary = Claxon.

 

[Move2CLT]

Yeah, just look at Move2CLT's (Koontz) comments over the last 12 months. That is the kind of consideration we are going to get if he gets elected.
Also consider the gloating recently about the west controlling the appeals board - the east grievances will not be considered, giving the company the green light to unilaterally change work rules without any worry about a grievance.
I have not read anything about how Fergy & Move2 are going to enhance my future - in fact, just the opposite.

Hello boo boo's.

So much to catch up on.

I see that I'm now Koontz. Was that breeze's deductive reasoning that came up with that nonsense?

 

[Harry Callahan]

Hello boo boo's.

So much to catch up on.

I see that I'm now Koontz. Was that breeze's deductive reasoning that came up with that nonsense?

Hell I was told that 🙄

 

[luvn737s]

Yeah, just look at Move2CLT's (Koontz) comments over the last 12 months. That is the kind of consideration we are going to get if he gets elected.
Also consider the gloating recently about the west controlling the appeals board - the east grievances will not be considered, giving the company the green light to unilaterally change work rules without any worry about a grievance.

So you would prefer USAPA's tactic of taking a west contract provision (Age 58 training bypass) and allowing the east pilots vote to change it to Age 63, with nothing in return? Ask Bradford why he thought that was fair to the west pilots when it did not affect east pilots, other than the chance for the worst of them to vent some of their vindictiveness via a vote.

In the runoff, many out east will choose "the devil they know" when they are being given a chance to take union leadership out of the "devil's" hands and put it back in theirs.

 

[Move2CLT]

Also consider the gloating recently about the west controlling the appeals board - the east grievances will not be considered, giving the company the green light to unilaterally change work rules without any worry about a grievance.
I have not read anything about how Fergy & Move2 are going to enhance my future - in fact, just the opposite.

wow, look at that. The prospect of having to taste your own medicine and he doesn't like it.

Welcome to our world. The Appeals Boatd sweep was important because it contains unwarranted east disciplinary action against west pilots. And if a situation comes up that will benefit the west, so be it. We've earned it.

And your future will be enhanced with the Nic and a new contract. That's the only way.

 

[john john]

A union with no unity has no ability to gain any improvements. The Kirby proposal is a far cry better than what USAPA could negotiate on its own with retaining any leverage at the negotiating table. Absent leverage, the ununified union has to resort to illegal job actions and taking out ads in national newspapers. USAPA is an epic failure except for one thing - delay of the inevitable. Had the Ninth not taken a pass on the merits of the DFR, then USAPA wouldn't even have that going for it. Bringing spit wads to a gun fight won't get you anything like an industry leading contract. Fix the unity problem with a dose of reality about the NIC, and you might just get something better than Kirby. Otherwise you take what what is offered or just stay where you are.

Are you broadcasting threat of self-help here? I took you for a company uncritical enthusiast

 

[A320 Driver]

You mean exactly how the East occupied appeals board treated the West? Your Chickens coming home to roosts.

I've been trying to decide how to vote. Thanks for helping me make up my mind.


Driver...

 

[luvthe9]

We on the east are voting for Ferguson and Koontz. Hummel is finished!!!!