US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

USAPA is now suing Seham.

I can't stop laughing.

 

[EastCheats]

USAPA is now suing Seham.

I can't stop laughing.

I can't stop laughing either. Their union is based in Mayberry. Headed by Gomer Pyle. That's all they are. Gomers.

 

[cactusboy53]

Luvn, That statement could not be further from the truth. You are here because the USAirways Pilots saved this company from the ruthless, abhorrent Management before your existance on the property. Really, Do you think we took pay cuts, gave up benefits and our pension to ensure our demise? You are here because of our more than generous gift.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-Dqj4fHmM

Apologies to "Flounder Dorfman".....

 

[Ames]

As one who long ago surrendered any farcical notion that further "conversation" with most all such westies as post here was of the slightest value, and anything other than an unhealthy indulgence in some morbid fascination, as to just how intellectually and spiritually deficient some hominids can be and yet operate some kind of aircraft, well ; I'm only popping in to correct the "Zone 5 = EastUS". I don't personally know Zone5, but, unlike such charming little princesses as yourself, that somehow see some perverse need to disparage Tomcat drivers, will only note that I've a great deal of respect for those that opted for cats/traps, and willingly endured the personal sacrifices attendant to life on "Bird Farms", my father having been career USN. Over time; he lost enough friends via carrier ops to have rather strongly suggested that I go USAF...unsinkable and immobile "ship"/air conditioned hooches/cold beer upon mission completion/even some golf courses/the actual presence of women/etc. That places me in the "eunuch in a hook shop" status where commenting on carrier flying is concerned.

Speaking of "eunuch in a hook shop" status; it's wryly amusing to note that the vast majority of you west folk posting here had/have projected associations, as the stated case with Beancounter, "Well I guess the F-15 and A10 pilots in my AWA new hire class just weren't as cool as a Navy pilot", or can point to having an ex TBird within the AWA ranks, as nic4us has done long ago...or otherwise find ways to esteem yourselves, evidently by way of AWA association only, as somehow equal in experience and accomplishments to any/all others.

From your fine young emissary/diplomat extraordinaire EastCheats, we have the following display of typically disrespectful, infantile arrogance: "I don't have the time to stroke your ego, about the Kitty Hawk, lunar landings or whatever. I got an earful from your Hudson heroes at the Addington trial. I'm not impressed. Go find someone who is. Try the mirror" Whew!...Little to be said there....that's almost a clinical case study of Arrested Development Syndrome in and of it's self. Your fine people of the "..and we hate you guys"/Move2CLT/et al ilk...I'd feel properly best left in the kind, caring hands of an entire team of psychiatrists.

Oh well. One must properly suppose that such self indulgent fantasies, as are so frequently spewed forth by the majority of west posters hereabouts, are required mental mechanisms in order to support the assertions that, say 17 more years than one's self of even just plain airline ops should afford no person the very slightest modicum of respect. In fact; said additional years flown is apparently subject only to scorn, as all should have magically known the distant future, and opted for other employment long ago. Interestingly enough though....the same west posters espousing such contempt clearly fail to consider their own current situation. They are evidently staying with AWA/"US" and just plain hoping for better things in the future......

No matter really...the sorry state of affairs "is what it is", and is likely to remain so for some time. My position hasn't changed at all. The only promise I've made to the board readers is that I'll never vote in favor of anything containing the nic....period. That is not subject to change. Doing such would be against all principled thought, and I'm not about to sell out fine folks I've shared the airline's or otherwise sky with, in order to have such as the charming west youngsters as post here jump over them, just because St. Nic said it's just ok for such rank, rancid opportunism to even be conceived of.

I hold no personal grudge against the west as a group, and have indeed had some very enjoyable conversations with a number of "westies". Having said that....I'm completely content with the thought of flying my remaining airline days out without ever needing to tolerate the presence of utterly clueless, entirely disrespectful, and downright infantile sufferers of narcissistic personality disorder, as are most often, so flagrantly evidenced by the bulk of west posters here, in any working cockpit. Jumpseaters excepted. Apologies and noted exceptions to lynyrdskynyrd and any/all other, actual adults out west.

Life's to be lived and enjoyed people. It's highly unlikely that anyone's deeply rooted opinions will in any way be altered by any/all internet correspondence here.

Best to All


"Lord what fools these mortals be"....no exclusions for myself in that tag 😉

Hey, look, Eastus is back. Anyone want to start a pool on when he will have another nervous breakdown on the board?

Man, nobody can bloviate like Eastus.

 

[Ames]

I can't stop laughing either. Their union is based in Mayberry. Headed by Gomer Pyle. That's all they are. Gomers.

The ONLY thing I get out of the extortion money I have to pay ucrapa is the entertainment value of their stupidity.

 

[Beancounter]

I guess the ironic part there will be, who will you sue? In a stand alone scenario, by the time the lawsuit winds it's way through the legal system, there will be only a few east pilots left. The west pilots will be in charge......you will be suing yourself. In a merger scenario, USAPA will likely not survive.....who will you sue?

You east guys are all going to be retired in 3-5 years? Sweeeet! I'm finishing off that open bottle of wine I put away earlier.

 

[Beancounter]

As one who long ago surrendered any farcical notion that further "conversation" with most all such westies as post here was of the slightest value, and anything other than an unhealthy indulgence in some morbid fascination, as to just how intellectually and spiritually deficient some hominids can be and yet operate some kind of aircraft, well ; I'm only popping in to correct the "Zone 5 = EastUS". I don't personally know Zone5, but, unlike such charming little princesses as yourself, that somehow see some perverse need to disparage Tomcat drivers, will only note that I've a great deal of respect for those that opted for cats/traps, and willingly endured the personal sacrifices attendant to life on "Bird Farms", my father having been career USN. Over time; he lost enough friends via carrier ops to have rather strongly suggested that I go USAF...unsinkable and immobile "ship"/air conditioned hooches/cold beer upon mission completion/even some golf courses/the actual presence of women/etc. That places me in the "eunuch in a hook shop" status where commenting on carrier flying is concerned.

Speaking of "eunuch in a hook shop" status; it's wryly amusing to note that the vast majority of you west folk posting here had/have projected associations, as the stated case with Beancounter, "Well I guess the F-15 and A10 pilots in my AWA new hire class just weren't as cool as a Navy pilot", or can point to having an ex TBird within the AWA ranks, as nic4us has done long ago...or otherwise find ways to esteem yourselves, evidently by way of AWA association only, as somehow equal in experience and accomplishments to any/all others.

From your fine young emissary/diplomat extraordinaire EastCheats, we have the following display of typically disrespectful, infantile arrogance: "I don't have the time to stroke your ego, about the Kitty Hawk, lunar landings or whatever. I got an earful from your Hudson heroes at the Addington trial. I'm not impressed. Go find someone who is. Try the mirror" Whew!...Little to be said there....that's almost a clinical case study of Arrested Development Syndrome in and of it's self. Your fine people of the "..and we hate you guys"/Move2CLT/et al ilk...I'd feel properly best left in the kind, caring hands of an entire team of psychiatrists.

Oh well. One must properly suppose that such self indulgent fantasies, as are so frequently spewed forth by the majority of west posters hereabouts, are required mental mechanisms in order to support the assertions that, say 17 more years than one's self of even just plain airline ops should afford no person the very slightest modicum of respect. In fact; said additional years flown is apparently subject only to scorn, as all should have magically known the distant future, and opted for other employment long ago. Interestingly enough though....the same west posters espousing such contempt clearly fail to consider their own current situation. They are evidently staying with AWA/"US" and just plain hoping for better things in the future......

No matter really...the sorry state of affairs "is what it is", and is likely to remain so for some time. My position hasn't changed at all. The only promise I've made to the board readers is that I'll never vote in favor of anything containing the nic....period. That is not subject to change. Doing such would be against all principled thought, and I'm not about to sell out fine folks I've shared the airline's or otherwise sky with, in order to have such as the charming west youngsters as post here jump over them, just because St. Nic said it's just ok for such rank, rancid opportunism to even be conceived of.

I hold no personal grudge against the west as a group, and have indeed had some very enjoyable conversations with a number of "westies". Having said that....I'm completely content with the thought of flying my remaining airline days out without ever needing to tolerate the presence of utterly clueless, entirely disrespectful, and downright infantile sufferers of narcissistic personality disorder, as are most often, so flagrantly evidenced by the bulk of west posters here, in any working cockpit. Jumpseaters excepted. Apologies and noted exceptions to lynyrdskynyrd and any/all other, actual adults out west.

Life's to be lived and enjoyed people. It's highly unlikely that anyone's deeply rooted opinions will in any way be altered by any/all internet correspondence here.

Best to All


"Lord what fools these mortals be"....no exclusions for myself in that tag 😉

So pontificates the arrogant prat.

Who in truth probably can fly really fast in the clear, but must have his hand held on instrument approaches to mins.

 

[Move2CLT]

Hey, look, Eastus is back. Anyone want to start a pool on when he will have another nervous breakdown on the board?

Man, nobody can bloviate like Eastus.

Man, you ain't kidding.

How can one man write so much and say so little? LMAO!

Uh oh, I may have to dogfight him now.

 

[Beancounter]

Uh oh, I may have to dogfight him now.

Since his head is up his arse, I think you'll have the tactical advantage.

 

[luvn737s]

Luvn, That statement could not be further from the truth. You are here because the USAirways Pilots saved this company from the ruthless, abhorrent Management before your existance on the property. Really, Do you think we took pay cuts, gave up benefits and our pension to ensure our demise? You are here because of our more than generous gift.

No, you gave things up and STILL lost your airline. The property is not YOUR FORMER AIRLINE. The truth is that if US had been allowed to fail, the same money would have come in and financed AWA's purchase of assets and a single airline would have grown in the fertilizer of your failed career.

Full Pay to The Last Day, remember? Well, you got neither.

 

[Move2CLT]

Luvn, That statement could not be further from the truth. You are here because the USAirways Pilots saved this company from the ruthless, abhorrent Management before your existance on the property. Really, Do you think we took pay cuts, gave up benefits and our pension to ensure our demise? You are here because of our more than generous gift.

Wow, hell of a fantasy you got going on there boo boo.

First off, are you insinuating that only the pilots sacrificed? What about the FAs and mechanics? Pretty conceited of you, don't you think?

Second, you didn't do most of your "sacrificing" willingly. Have you forgotten your "full pay to the last day" mantra?

Remember, your pilot group actually ended up giving more than the initial company ask!!! LMAO!!!

No, there were no gifts from you. If there was a gift, it was Parker coming in and taking you on before you slipped into liquidation.

Your "sacrifices" were for US Air. They failed. This is a new airline and we all started over.

Your past at US Air means nothing now.

Let go.

 

[Move2CLT]

Because they like riding our coat tails, we saved them from "Project Zanzibar" That will come out more in "discovery". 😀

What discovery are you referring to?

Your 9-piece running low?

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Am I the only one that thinks Seham is going to press the button, now that he has been provoked?

 

[USA320Pilot]

Pilots should click here to review an interesting pay chart. Then click over the four pay stubs in between the two bar graphs.

 

[EastCheats]

The ONLY thing I get out of the extortion money I have to pay ucrapa is the entertainment value of their stupidity.

It's a Charlotte thing, they can't help it. They have this place called Bojangles, there was a line so long with hats and four stripes I could not see the menu. Gomers love the place, they eat something called dirty rice.

That explains it. It's not in the water.