US Pilots Labor Discussion

[CallawayGolf]

Dude ya still gotta get by the 9th and then ya gotta have a 51% vote....what will it take to get that 1000 extra votes......!!!
Remember that rocking chair I told you to buy 2 years ago......still gonna need it for 2-4 more years.

Please pay attention IT AIN'T THE ANGRY FO club giving you these numbers!!

NICDOA
NPJB

Well technically you have to get the 9th to accept your case on appeal before you can have a chance to overturn a Count 1 ruling by Silver. That's going to be a tall order when ripeness isn't even a remote question this time. The odds don't look too good for $eham to get you back to the 9th and then to actually get the Silver ruling remanded.

You may be right that it may take 2-4 more years, but then again it's just as likely to be all wrapped up with the NIC in section 22 before the end of this year.

 

[Move2CLT]

And the appeals court that clocked you the first time, will do it again. What makes you sure history will not repeat itself? The minority is in the dark on legal issues again. You won't impose anything the eastern group doesn't want and can out vote you. Just like they did yesterday.

Congrats on wiping the drool off your face long enough to type something that lacks any semblance of intelligence.

The Appellate Court (as its correctly referred to) did no such thing. They ruled on ripeness, not merit.

The darkness you speak of shrouds your common sense and its quite obvious with you referring to the Appellate court as "appeals court." That's pretty stupid.

Nothing changed today. Only now you'll have McKee sniping at Hummel.

Good luck with that. Same o same o.

 

[Move2CLT]

......I've mentioned that scenerio to several I've flown with, with one additional benefit to Parker; the west would accept any contract that included the NIC ...

Nonsense. No west pilot has ever said that.

USAPA, on the other hand (Bradford more specifically), said they would take anything to avoid the Nic.

 

[Ames]

His silly belief that a minority AFO club can control the outcome in opposition to the majority is his way of keeping hope that the minority can impose the Nic.

The minority can't impose the Nic but the court can. Soon enough, girls, soon enough.

 

[Move2CLT]

The minority can't impose the Nic but the court can. Soon enough, girls, soon enough.

Sooner than they think.

 

[Ames]

Exactly, the western malcontents made squat for years and years. Nobody wanted anything to do with them. Still the case.

You guys had your noses so far up our butts between May and September of 2005. Your MEC was very afraid the AWA pilots would throw a monkey wrench in your very last hope of survival. I sure do wish we had.

 

[fifidriver]

Despite his great video work, I think Fergie underestimated the resolve of the East pilots... we're not willing to sacrifice principle for a bigger paycheck. The message is clear. West's pyrrhic "victory" with the NiC will be denied through contract ratification votes,even with a pro-NIC court ruling, until the East majority is lost.

Check this out... Here is someone who apparently might actually know what a "pyrrhic" victory is... But is willing to give Dougie and Scooter $20-30k a year for his AFO buddies... Is that the same thing as an"idiot/savant"?

 

[fifidriver]

8 months and change....

Yeah... retirement is a change... GTFOOH... Enjoy!

 

[USA320Pilot]

Unfortunately, the election results went eactly as some of us predicted. Why? There is no trust between either pilot group. I know the west pilots will say they have done nothing to lose the east pilot's trust, but both pilot groups still think as if they're independent groups per-merger.

I believe a merger will change USAPA dynamics, but here is what I believe will happen within USAPA if US Airways does not merge with AA.

1. Hummel will seek new Committee members for the NAC, Merger, Communications, and Grievance Committees. People like DiOrio, Colello, Pauley, Fillar, Glynn, Parella, and Brennan could be fired and returned to the line; along with Cleary and Mowrey.

2. Hummel will seek to re-start contract talks with US Airways and will cooperate with management versus oppose every management objective.

3. Hummel will seek BPR approval for a scientific poll maybe done by somebody like Phil Comstock. The poll should be conducted by members and non-members and could include a question like "would you approve an industry standard contract that contains the Nicolau Award?" In two separate Compass Correction updates Hummel's handlers indicated they would change their DOH provision if the pilot group gave the BPR new direction. This would require a C&BLs SLI change.

4. Hummel will wait for Judge Silver's decision. If Silver rules in AOL's favor and the pilot group through a survey is willing to move beyond the Nicolau Award then I believe the BPR will not pass a resolution to appeal the DJ decision.

5. If consensus is not met with the four points above then the 3rd List, PHX-based pilots, and East anti-USAPA pilots will be able to reform USAPA in 3 years. However, will there be card drive for a representation election before the officer 3-year term expires?

However, I believe none of what I wrote above will happen. Instead next week the news media is reporting AMR will file Section 1113 motions against each of AA's four unions and AMR Eagle's employees. In many respects the AA employee Term Sheets have deeper cuts than LOA 93. To buy labor merger support I believe Parker may offer US Airways and AA's pilots the Delta contract in exchange for the CoC clause, the acceptance of Jude Silver's decision as our SLI, and a McCaskill-Bond SLI for the upcoming AA-US merger.

Today Tom Hoban, a spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association, told Bloomberg News that if the union couldn’t reach a consensual labor agreement with AMR as the carrier seeks to rework contracts, the group might be willing to work with new management brought in as the result of a merger.

 

[nic4us]

I knew it! Nic4us is the same poster as CallowayGolf.

Well, I certainly wish I had some of Calloway's traits.

The patience of Job, the faith of Abraham, the forgiveness of.....on second thought, I will pass on those for the time being.

 

[nic4us]

I'll help you out. Indeed there are apples and oranges here.. 1) The union's right to negotiate a contract and 2) the membership's right to vote on the company proposal. To get the Nic implemented you are hoping that the FCS will give you both of those apples and oranges.

Your apples and oranges are going to make a lovely fruit salad when your scab union is stripped of its right to represent "the pilots in the employment of AWA".

Does single carrier status mean anything to anybody? Perhaps the NMB? Perhaps the courts? Per chance LCC? ohh...that would be a #### of an issue in a merger now would it not?

 

[Beancounter]

Unfortunately, the election results went eactly as some of us predicted. Why? There is no trust between either pilot group. I know the west pilots will say they have done nothing to lose the east pilot's trust, but both pilot groups still think as if they're independent groups per-merger.

I believe a merger will change USAPA dynamics, but here is what I believe will happen within USAPA if US Airways does not merge with AA.

1. Hummel will seek new Committee members for the NAC, Merger, Communications, and Grievance Committees. People like DiOrio, Colello, Pauley, Fillar, Glynn, Parella, and Brennan could be fired and returned to the line; along with Cleary and Mowrey.

2. Hummel will seek to re-start contract talks with US Airways and will cooperate with management versus oppose every management objective.

3. Hummel will seek BPR approval for a scientific poll maybe done by somebody like Phil Comstock. The poll should be conducted by members and non-members and could include a question like "would you approve an industry standard contract that contains the Nicolau Award?" In two separate Compass Correction updates Hummel's handlers indicated they would change their DOH provision if the pilot group gave the BPR new direction. This would require a C&BLs SLI change.

4. Hummel will wait for Judge Silver's decision. If Silver rules in AOL's favor and the pilot group through a survey is willing to move beyond the Nicolau Award then I believe the BPR will not pass a resolution to appeal the DJ decision.

5. If consensus is not met with the four points above then the 3rd List, PHX-based pilots, and East anti-USAPA pilots will be able to reform USAPA in 3 years. However, will there be card drive for a representation election before the officer 3-year term expires?

However, I believe none of what I wrote above will happen. Instead next week the news media is reporting AMR will file Section 1113 motions against each of AA's four unions and AMR Eagle's employees. In many respects the AA employee Term Sheets have deeper cuts than LOA 93. To buy labor merger support I believe Parker may offer US Airways and AA's pilots the Delta contract in exchange for the CoC clause, the acceptance of Jude Silver's decision as our SLI, and a McCaskill-Bond SLI for the upcoming AA-US merger.

Today Tom Hoban, a spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association, told Bloomberg News that if the union couldn’t reach a consensual labor agreement with AMR as the carrier seeks to rework contracts, the group might be willing to work with new management brought in as the result of a merger.

Thanks for the input. I know I don't care for Bradford, but I really don't know much about Hummel. Well, I know if possible he'll pursue DOH/LOS, or at least delay, other than that, not much.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Unfortunately, the election results went eactly as some of us predicted. Why? There is no trust between either pilot group. I know the west pilots will say they have done nothing to lose the east pilot's trust, but both pilot groups still think as if they're independent groups per-merger.

I believe a merger will change USAPA dynamics, but here is what I believe will happen within USAPA if US Airways does not merge with AA.

1. Hummel will seek new Committee members for the NAC, Merger, Communications, and Grievance Committees. People like DiOrio, Colello, Pauley, Fillar, Glynn, Parella, and Brennan could be fired and returned to the line; along with Cleary and Mowrey.

2. Hummel will seek to re-start contract talks with US Airways and will cooperate with management versus oppose every management objective.

3. Hummel will seek BPR approval for a scientific poll maybe done by somebody like Phil Comstock. The poll should be conducted by members and non-members and could include a question like "would you approve an industry standard contract that contains the Nicolau Award?" In two separate Compass Correction updates Hummel's handlers indicated they would change their DOH provision if the pilot group gave the BPR new direction. This would require a C&BLs SLI change.

4. Hummel will wait for Judge Silver's decision. If Silver rules in AOL's favor and the pilot group through a survey is willing to move beyond the Nicolau Award then I believe the BPR will not pass a resolution to appeal the DJ decision.


However, I believe none of what I wrote above will happen. Instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-SE05BIXTY

 

[767one]

Yeah... retirement is a change... GTFOOH... Enjoy!

It's a change I'm ready for this time.

 

[767one]

Well technically you have to get the 9th to accept your case on appeal before you can have a chance to overturn a Count 1 ruling by Silver. That's going to be a tall order when ripeness isn't even a remote question this time. The odds don't look too good for $eham to get you back to the 9th and then to actually get the Silver ruling remanded.

You may be right that it may take 2-4 more years, but then again it's just as likely to be all wrapped up with the NIC in section 22 before the end of this year.

There is still that pesky vote thing.