US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

You were lucky we even showed up.

If seniority was "done", why did you guys show up at all? Seems it still is not "done", but will be next month and you can finally bid CLT, right?

 

[luvthe9]

US Airways pursuing American, report says
http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2012/03/26/us-airways-pursuing-american-report.html

 

[Beancounter]

I'm curious how many east pilot's are still holding fast for DOH/LOS? I understand, the NIC won't pass a vote, unless A LOT of money is offered. DOH/LOS will never get past any arbitrator or judge though, definitely not past the west. I still do not see how the NIC can be modified since ALPA was voted out, while I've had law classes I'm a beancounter not a lawyer, so what do I know.

If American comes into play I have a feeling the NIC will be used and then a whole new process will start. Every single American pilot I've talked to, even the ones that think the NIC was unfair, have said they would abide by arbitration. Maybe we will see.

 

[Beancounter]

Next time there is a melt down you think the West will stay intact.
NICDOA
NPJB

When you say melt down, the only thing that would take out the min fleet count would be a bankruptcy. Do you think any of US would survive? Maybe you guys on the east would be lucky and another regional carrier would save you. 🙂 Air Wisconsin? 🙂 Republic? 😛

 

[Res Judicata]

If it never passes you don't get your nic you dumbass. You win but you don't. Next time there is a melt down you think the West will stay intact. You are too damn dumb to appreciate the cards you don't hold. We can wait for any scenario you can come up with.

PS have you had your blood pressure checked lately????

NICDOA
NPJB

Yes BP 116/64 this morning. Resting heart rate of 45. Healthy diet and lots of exercise are all one needs. We have no control over WHEN the nic award gets used just the fact that at some point it WILL. What's the "win"? getting attached to your sinking sh*t airline? Thanks. I pray daily that the West gets sold off and we rid ourselves of you miserable scabs...but alas, those are the cards we were dealt. The law is on our side. That's all we need. You guys can twist in the wind with the knowledge that most Legacy carriers FO's make more than your captains.

 

[luvthe9]

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If American comes into play I have a feeling the NIC will be used and then a whole new process will start. Every single American pilot I've talked to, even the ones that think the NIC was unfair, have said they would abide by arbitration. Maybe we will see.

Nice try, every AA pilot I have spoken to wants nothing to do with the NIC it will hurt their careers.

 

[luvthe9]

I pray daily that the West gets sold off and we rid ourselves of you miserable scabs...but alas, those are the cards we were dealt.

Finally something we can all agree on, except the scab thing you have them we don't. The article seems to have AWA planes not USAir planes, you better read up so you don't look so uninformed. http://scabsr.us/duw1.htm 😛

 

[Barrister]

Yes BP 116/64 this morning. Resting heart rate of 45. Healthy diet and lots of exercise are all one needs. We have no control over WHEN the nic award gets used just the fact that at some point it WILL. What's the "win"? getting attached to your sinking sh*t airline? Thanks. I pray daily that the West gets sold off and we rid ourselves of you miserable scabs...but alas, those are the cards we were dealt. The law is on our side. That's all we need. You guys can twist in the wind with the knowledge that most Legacy carriers FO's make more than your captains.

Resting heart rate of 45.....not only are you stupid but you are a liar as well!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[Move2CLT]

If seniority was "done", why did you guys show up at all? Seems it still is not "done", but will be next month and you can finally bid CLT, right?

We were asked by Prater to show up. In a west only meeting he asked us to at least listen to what you had offer. We made it clear the Nic was not on the fable.

It was over Pi.

 

[Phoenix]

Resting heart rate of 45.....not only are you stupid but you are a liar as well!!

NICDOA
NPJB

Mine is 38.

 

[Move2CLT]

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Nice try, every AA pilot I have spoken to wants nothing to do with the NIC it will hurt their careers.

AA guy I spoke to said it'll be Nic.

Hmmmm.

 

[Move2CLT]

Finally something we can all agree on, except the scab thing you have them we don't. The article seems to have AWA planes not USAir planes, you better read up so you don't look so uninformed. http://scabsr.us/duw1.htm 😛

You have two working for your union. One of them was elected to represent you.

 

[Move2CLT]

Its "we", "us", and "our", bro. Welcome aboard. :wub:

But it's "your" LOA93 and "your" pension loss, right?

 

[Move2CLT]

So I've now learned that if the easties don't like the results of an election, then they want it rerun until they get the outcome they want.

I guess arbitration isn't the only thing.

 

[cleardirect]

The West likes to claim that the East walked away from a consensual agreement regarding talks of seniority, USAPA only took over where ALPA left off. The West had no intentions on an agreement, ALPA did not want them to, they knew this was phase one of a seniority integration with United. Nice try West, United and ALPA, you chose the wrong group of pilots to obtain your goal.

"MEC Chairman’s Message
February 8, 2008

This is MEC Chairman Jack Stephan with a chairman’s message to the pilots for Friday, February 08, 2008.

After nine days of talks between the US Airways and America West Steering Committees, the America West contingent has chosen to stand down talks. At this time they are not prepared to address seniority implementation issues, specifically, mitigating the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.
Recall that we met to determine if we had enough common ground between us on important issues to come up with a comprehensive counterproposal for both MECs to review. As we told you, this counter proposal would have to adequately address not only all open JNC issues, but more importantly for the AAA pilots, pay parity and seniority protection. We came to the neutral site at Wye River, MD with these goals in mind, and within these goals we developed certain thresholds needing to be achieved for the benefit of the US Airways pilots. Despite what you may have heard or read, none of that changed during the meeting.

While we respect what the AWA pilots were there to accomplish, the US Airways MEC’s position remains the same and our MEC’s Steering Committee members did not compromise that position. We never wavered from our goal of protecting you from the Nicolau Award, and our threshold for meeting those goals never changed.

I’ll be calling the MEC into session for a special meeting next week. While there is no comprehensive counterproposal to bring back to the MEC, they'll receive a briefing on the process, and I plan to add two other items to the agenda: developing a distribution methodology for 2007 Profit Sharing and Stock Options and to review an agreement extending the timeframe for filing disputes concerning flow-through issues.

The MEC will now review our options. Keep in mind that the odds of any plan we develop succeeding are greatly diminished by members of this MEC continuing to cower behind their fear of failure and seeking to sabotage any process we elect to pursue. You can see that all of the noise and accusations coming out of PHL Council 41 about the work of our Steering Committee was unfounded and disingenuous. When it came time to meet directly with our AWA counterparts, we did exactly what we said we would, AAA pilots working with AWA pilots trying to mitigate the damages of the Nicolau Award.

Excuses and alibis will not replace leadership. We made a promise, and we kept it. There was no cramdown, no end-run deal, no deal chasing and no back room conspiracies. I hope you did not fall for these contrived ideas spread in order to try and scare you. The majority of this MEC and your MEC officers are not afraid of failure. We said we were going to look under every stone to find solutions and we meant it. My only fear is that some of our MEC fear the search may actually produce something that would require them to lead rather than criticize. I can tell you that the majority of your MEC was willing to continue the search. Although this process has not worked so far, we are no worse off for engaging in the exercise.

You would have been extremely proud of our team of pilots who met at the Wye River Conference Center. These are men of honor and integrity and they are most importantly, men of their word. Their commitment to the process and to you was rock solid. Threats and intimidation attempts by some minority disenchanted MEC members and paper tigers did not sway these men of honor from pursuing the direction that the majority of the MEC had set. They did their best trying to reach a solution to the Nicolau Award. At this time the AWA pilots are unwilling to address our seniority concerns. Again, we are no worse off for having engaged in this process. We remain right where we started and that is in separate operations with the West.

I thank you for your patience during the past few weeks. I know it’s been difficult. There will be other options at our disposal after the MEC gets the chance to strategize internally next week. While conditions and opportunities may change, the goal has not and our threshold for success has not. Our mission remains the same, to protect you from the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.

Thank you for listening. As always, fly safe and continue to look out for each other."

What is your point of this update? To prove that the east was never about anything other than getting the west to give in to your demands? I see a lot of demands but I don’t see anything about what the east offered. This was all about fixing you perceived problem with the Nicolau. There was not requirement for us to even talk to you let alone fix your problem. Stephan keeps saying the damage Nicolau does. Have any of you guys ever considered the damages DOH does to the west? The damage you east guys have done to yourselves and the west pilots? This is nothing but tears on the page about how you could not get what you wanted. How the west would not fix the problem you created by not negotiating even after Nicolau told you, you were not getting what you wanted.

MEC’s Steering Committee members did not compromise that position. We never wavered from our goal of protecting you from the Nicolau Award, and our threshold for meeting those goals never changed.

Who was it that refused to move?

these goals we developed certain thresholds needing to be achieved for the benefit of the US Airways pilots.

All for the benefit of east pilots. A good deal should benefit both sides. What was the benefit for west pilots to fix your problem?

The rest of it complaining about the in-fighting. Sounds exactly the same as what goes on with usapa.