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Yeah, I can remember being in a room with guys standing up and saying, "We're acquiring them, they need to go to the bottom of our list." I just sat there rolling my eyes. Your guys starter wasn't much better though.

BC,

I will attempt to share my philosophical slant on pilot union organizations. Upfront I acknowledge that all can dissect a sentence and slander/misplace my meaning. Hopefully not as I have not the time or desire to argue ad nausium . I must be nuts to even try and help my adversary understand my pov!


I think it historically way more common than not for pilots to distant themselves from union politics. Plenty of valid reasons why and don't wanna debate that subject.
That said......I was an am quite a bit more informed on subjects in latter 1/3 of my tenure here. I seldom get the impression that I have retrieved all the relevant info and cautious to believe anything as its incredibly easy to get a conflicting story with additional probing.
So......with all these obstacles I perceive with alpa/USAPA is it any wonder we see such varying opinions on right and wrong within past sli talks? Plus the hopefully minority moronic statements we all have to " roll our eyes to " .

My perception in a " general " summation is that the AAA rank & file (R/F) " ASK " was within reason to reach middle ground with Nicolau as I'm sure the west believed theirs. Looking back with 20/20 hindsite vision and claiming the RF had their opportunities to do this or that is a weak argument IMO from what I've just stated considering all the inherent weaknesses in pilot union relations I've mentioned. IMO the fences to protect you were morally correct and I'm thinking that in the next merger you may look back and believe as I do about our intent.

Nic-res etc ongoing name calling / theory that the prior makeup carriers of AAA all hired morally corrupt pilots is beyond stupid! I'm guessing it was their types u rolled your eyes to at those meetings.

Hope ya understand me a bit better and I didn't ramble tooo much.


FA
 
You rookie!!!!!

Hey Cheats one of my best ideas was reform usapa, use the date you obtained your commercial liscense ( an ubiased piece of info supplied by a neutral FAA) and come up with a national seniority list, then arrange the LCC pilots according to that list.

What do you thinks the scabs thought of that idea?

Maybe you are on to something.

It's been a fun ride. I'd like to thank Kit Darby of FAPA, otherwise known as Air Inc for painting an optimistic picture of the airline industry in the 80's. It did not turn out quite like I thought starting with Eastern and Pan Am putting a screeching halt to hiring. So much for the pilot shortage he predicted. Things did not go as planned I got to enjoy a two-year furlough. I avoided US Air and targeted airlines that had 5-6 year upgrades such as SW, HP and Airtran. HP made the offer and I accepted. Capt upgrades were 5-6 years as you know.

2005, a year I would like to forget. The windfall I remember since then has been career stagnation, furloughs, downgrades and base closures.

If that's a lottery ticket, it's certainly not a winner.
 
One prob here dude....those hopeless unemployed would be nicely employed before NIC even rendered his decision. You are so spitefull you can't even remember BASIC facts. Guys like you are pathetic. Wallow in your own misery. We don't care.....but the way....those hopelessly unemplyed are close to holding a block and will be getting Captain bids in a few years....AHEAD OF YOU....AS IT SHOULD BE!!!

NICDOA
NPJB
Those unemployed became nicely employed due to the Grace of God or the stupidity of Doug Parker....i don't know which. I do know they were absolutely doomed at this company without a merger and you DAMN well know that too. Justice coming soon in suppository form for you.
 
I do know they were absolutely doomed at this company without a merger and you DAMN well know that too.
If you mean "doomed" to remain USAirways, I'll take that compared to being pared with the arrogant fools from Mesa Grande, which even your serial drunk admitted would last, at most, another 30 days.

It is always good looking for a suitor (USAirways) vs heading for certain debtor prison (A&W). Thanks for your fantasy. Too bad it has little in common with reality. Get used to the up-and-coming PHX downsizing. Have a good day, boys.
 
Those unemployed became nicely employed due to the Grace of God or the stupidity of Doug Parker....i don't know which. I do know they were absolutely doomed at this company without a merger and you DAMN well know that too. Justice coming soon in suppository form for you.

You can be Jim /BB for the next generation!!!!

NICDOA
NPJB
 
One prob here dude....those hopeless unemployed would be nicely employed before NIC even rendered his decision. You are so spitefull you can't even remember BASIC facts. Guys like you are pathetic. Wallow in your own misery. We don't care.....but the way....those hopelessly unemplyed are close to holding a block and will be getting Captain bids in a few years....AHEAD OF YOU....AS IT SHOULD BE!!!

NICDOA
NPJB


Most of the fo's are already in the 60 to 70 percentile. Exactly as they should be. The west forgets that the airline biz is cyclical.
With the attrition it's blue skies ahead.

Many, east fo's bypassed recal until the end
 
Res has a long way to go to get to the upper half. In any group.

Said the scab who legitimizes his job theft.

Hey clubber, I hear the third listers and about 150 easties are heading for the unemployment line....again.

You in that group and whose job you going to try and steal when it happens?
 
Most of the fo's are already in the 60 to 70 percentile. Exactly as they should be. The west forgets that the airline biz is cyclical.
With the attrition it's blue skies ahead.

Many, east fo's bypassed recal until the end
WHAT???????

If most of the F/O's are in the 60-70 percentile. Most meaning a majority. Who is at the bottom of your list?

If you have 1400 F/O's how can a majority of them be in the 60-70 percentile? Would the 1400 F/O's not be evenly distributed? Someone has to be at the 100% point.
 
Compass Correction Coaliton Update (Message Delivered!): March 27, 2012

USAPA Voters... Message Delivered!

Your participation in the runoff election, (approaching 90%), is a wonderful result! The voters have spoken and the management of US Airways at Tempe have been put on notice that you are engaged, interested and more than eager for some results.

No matter for whom you voted; thank you for taking the time. We at the CCC are hopeful that this level of involvement is a sign of your continued supervision over the activities undertaken by the new officers and the BPR. Believe it….there is a need.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Misguided and WASTEFUL!

Certain members of your Board of Pilot Representatives have called for an additional, follow on, Special Meeting, (after the already called special meeting) – to be held this week at Charlotte. The agenda item is purely political, out of order and contrary to the USAPA Constitution and Bylaws.

CLT and part of PHL (Szpyrka and Gillies) are trying to force elected members Steve Bradford and Mark King to recuse themselves from the union Appeal Board, citing conflict of interest, where the recent election is concerned.

First of all, the BPR has zero authority and/or jurisdiction over the Appeal Board, save their authority to initiate a recall ballot (by 2/3 majority of the Board) to the membership. That is the very idea behind an independent body elected by the members to separate powers.

Nothing precludes Bill McKee from taking his appeal of the election results to the Department of Labor, should the USAPA Appeal Board’s decision be not to his liking. What he may not do is to run rough-shod over the Constitution, for his expediency.

No matter who is on the Appeal Board, they have a right to hold personal and political view; they are elected by the line Pilots for their judgment, and their ability to set aside their personal views when deliberating such matters. In a past precedent-setting case, Appeal Board Member, Tracy Parrella refused to recuse herself in a matter of charges brought against her. In the end, it is up to the judgment of the Appeal Board Member, whose character will be his or her conscience. The USAPA constitution is to be their guide!

It should be stated here that the underlying urgency and underhanded actions stem from a burning desire on the part of McKee, Crimi, Ingram, Szpyrka and Gillies to install Mike Cleary in a newly created position of Tsar of Seniority Integration. Ladies and Gentlemen; the insanity has to stop. You, the voters have spoken, and it's time for USAPA to change. Make your elected Representatives honor the results of this election and get back to the legitimate work of their offices.

Tell your Representatives that you are watching….closely. The Special Meeting agenda is a complete waste of time and your dues dollars, since the Board lacks authority in this area. Further, we must retain the independent checks-and-balances of power, prescribed in the Constitution. Congress should not tell the Supreme Court how to rule and the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives is mandated to bug-off from meddling with the Appeal Board…..PERIOD.

Those who have served our Pilots and who are soon to be ex-Officers, should leave with dignity, preserving the honor of the Offices.

There’s no Crying in Baseball!

From the 4 members of the (former) Constitution ad hoc Committee

Rich Wargin-CLT 33 (Chairman)
Woody Menear-PHL 7i
Dave Shryack-CLT AB
Dave Ciabattoni-PHL AB
 
BC,

I will attempt to share my philosophical slant on pilot union organizations. Upfront I acknowledge that all can dissect a sentence and slander/misplace my meaning. Hopefully not as I have not the time or desire to argue ad nausium . I must be nuts to even try and help my adversary understand my pov!


I think it historically way more common than not for pilots to distant themselves from union politics. Plenty of valid reasons why and don't wanna debate that subject.
That said......I was an am quite a bit more informed on subjects in latter 1/3 of my tenure here. I seldom get the impression that I have retrieved all the relevant info and cautious to believe anything as its incredibly easy to get a conflicting story with additional probing.
So......with all these obstacles I perceive with alpa/USAPA is it any wonder we see such varying opinions on right and wrong within past sli talks? Plus the hopefully minority moronic statements we all have to " roll our eyes to " .

My perception in a " general " summation is that the AAA rank & file (R/F) " ASK " was within reason to reach middle ground with Nicolau as I'm sure the west believed theirs. Looking back with 20/20 hindsite vision and claiming the RF had their opportunities to do this or that is a weak argument IMO from what I've just stated considering all the inherent weaknesses in pilot union relations I've mentioned. IMO the fences to protect you were morally correct and I'm thinking that in the next merger you may look back and believe as I do about our intent.

Nic-res etc ongoing name calling / theory that the prior makeup carriers of AAA all hired morally corrupt pilots is beyond stupid! I'm guessing it was their types u rolled your eyes to at those meetings.

Hope ya understand me a bit better and I didn't ramble tooo much.


FA

FA,

Thanks for the input, I'm still learning about unions. I've spent some time working from within a union and spent a little time in an airline management role. So far my conclusion is that unions are a necessary evil. It would not surprise me to know that if during the arbitration some of the union people we're not acting as their members would have liked. It reaaaalllllly wouldn't surprise me if USAPA's previous leaders were not only acting against the best wishes of their pilots, but also withholding important information. I hope there is less/none of this with the new leadership. We shall see.

Bean
 
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