US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

4 arbritrations......sure...that's a lie.

breeze

Dream on breezy...reality will smack you soon enough.

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

I know you either mentally or ethically challenged.

Or both.

See post 37555.

Don't change the subject with name calling. I have a whole list of names that I have thought of for you, but am trying to be reasonable.

breeze

 

[Res Judicata]

To Jim and trader,

even though relative position was used, DOH was a baseline.

breeze

Get to rehab ASAP!!

Check out the new Jetblue blended rates. You're mighty 330 captains would pee themselves to get that.

Good thing you guys are in control and have a firm grip on the steering wheel. Happy 4th Anniversary of ABJECT AND TOTAL FAILURE

 

[Ames]

Yep, those guys......who stood up for what they believed was right. The Airtran pilots stood up to the SWA pilots and came out in a much better position.

breeze

You are truly clueless.

 

[mrbreeze]

Dream on breezy...reality will smack you soon enough.

Jim

Sure....I live in the state of reality......and your "4 arbritration" theory IS NOT TRUE!

breeze

 

[Ames]

You totally changed your whole post, so I don't know if any of my response fits now.

Doesn't matter. Your responses are irrelevant anyway.

 

[mrbreeze]

Get to rehab ASAP!!

Check out the new Jetblue blended rates. You're mighty 330 captains would pee themselves to get that.

Good thing you guys are in control and have a firm grip on the steering wheel. Happy 4th Anniversary of ABJECT AND TOTAL FAILURE

Res,

Go back and read the previous posts.....we have been over this.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

You are truly clueless.

LOL.....how is that? Or are you just trying to poke a stick at me?

You're full of it.

breeze

 

[traderjake]

Seniority Integrations Involving
the US Airways Pilot Group:
From 1968 Through 1999

US AIRWAVES – September/October 2000


Arbitrator Nicolau explained that the top of the
combined list consisted of only US
Airways pilots because Group 1 Captaincies
were “not within [the Shuttle pilots’]
pre-merger career expectations.” All
Shuttle pilots were placed junior to the
junior US Airways Group 1 Captain, for
the purpose of “leaving senior US
Airways [career] expectations essentially
undiminished.”

2. The panel then melded the next 1,928 US
Airways pilots (#1293 through #3259)
on an arithmetical ratio with the senior
67 Shuttle pilots. The panel found that
the Shuttle pilots brought Group 2 jobs to
the merged carrier, and therefore ratioed
Shuttle Captains with US Airways Group
2 Captains.

3. The next 1,436 US Airways pilots (#3260
through #4697) were blended by an
arithmetical ratio with 62 Shuttle pilots
(#68 through #129). Thus, following the
Group 2 Captains, the merged list
combined Group 2 First Officers.



Somebody owes me an apology.

His name rhymes with sneeze.

 

[Metroyet]

Res,

Go back and read the previous posts.....we have been over this.

breeze

No sh@t we've been over this. You're beyond help. If 4 years of absolutely hopeless failures, with no indication of even the slightest sign of hope hasn't phased you. Nothing will. You don't live within reality. Your problem.

 

[mrbreeze]

Seniority Integrations Involving
the US Airways Pilot Group:
From 1968 Through 1999

US AIRWAVES – September/October 2000


Arbitrator Nicolau explained that the top of the
combined list consisted of only US
Airways pilots because Group 1 Captaincies
were “not within [the Shuttle pilots’]
pre-merger career expectations.” All
Shuttle pilots were placed junior to the
junior US Airways Group 1 Captain, for
the purpose of “leaving senior US
Airways [career] expectations essentially
undiminished.”

2. The panel then melded the next 1,928 US
Airways pilots (#1293 through #3259)
on an arithmetical ratio with the senior
67 Shuttle pilots. The panel found that
the Shuttle pilots brought Group 2 jobs to
the merged carrier, and therefore ratioed
Shuttle Captains with US Airways Group
2 Captains.

3. The next 1,436 US Airways pilots (#3260
through #4697) were blended by an
arithmetical ratio with 62 Shuttle pilots
(#68 through #129). Thus, following the
Group 2 Captains, the merged list
combined Group 2 First Officers.



Somebody owes me an apology.

Wrong.....your premise is that all arbritrations are based on this equation.

My point is this:

During the Shuttle arbritration was there anywhere in the list where a pilot leap frogged the equvilent of 15yrs? No....so there was no legal challenge.

During the DL/Nw arbritration....was there anywhere that a pilot leap frogged the equvilent of 15 yrs? No.....so no legal challenge.

The Frontier/ Republic doesn't even count.

So here we are in unchartered waters. Is a West pilot going to leap frog an East pilot by 15 yrs....hell no!!!!

Your argument is bogus!!!

breeze

 

[traderjake]

You are freaking dense and you're making a fool of yourself.

All four arbitrations were modified slotting by equipment and status.

None used DOH as a base line.

 

[traderjake]

Is a West pilot going to leap frog an East pilot by 15 yrs....hell no!!!!

Is a Reserve East First Officer going to leap frog a West Captain on the same airplane?

The overwhelming probability is the courts won't allow it.

 

[mrbreeze]

You are freaking dense and you're making a fool of yourself.

LOL....and your wrong in spreading your untruth about "4 arbritrations" being the new world order......talk about a traitor. What you are doing is a disservice to both East and West pilots....there is no truth in it at all but you are happy to mislead anyone who will listen.

I may have an Arkansas education, but I know the difference between right and wrong.....and when someone is pushing their agenda. You sir are misleading a lot of people, and you are wrong for doing that. You stand behind the all mighty phrase of doing what is right according to the NIC, because it's all for one and one for all! BS.....you are not telling the truth.....it's all a lie.

I have often wondered what your motive is and have not been able to figure it out, but what ever it is....there is absolutely no truth in it.

And I thought you might be a Hog fan....The Walmart shoppers in Ark are more trustworthy than you are. Their hearts are at least in the right place.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Is a Reserve East First Officer going to leap frog a West Captain on the same airplane?

The overwhelming probability is the courts won't allow it.

As I have posted before.....there is the problem.....imbalance in the upper and in the lower parts of the seniority lists. That is why we need either fences or to renegotiate the NIC. What we have is not doable.

But, no....the West pilots will not give up their lottery ticket given to them by NIC, who is the only arbitrator to give out such an outlandish award.

Your idea of the 4 arbritrations is not helping the situation at all.

breeze