US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Black Swan]

This board changed their rules to allow your sophomoric insults to rule the day. There is no purpose arguing with you about anything and you guys just end up throwing a bunch trash talk around along with insults. Who needs it. You have your own little cheering society here where you get to hear exactly what you want to hear. Why break up your fantasy world. I only come here to read on current events and see how things are going. I want to know if the LOA arbitration goes the way I think, and I am interested in the declaratory judgment results. Again, just trying to gauge how my predictions pan out. Getting into an insult match with you guys has no interest for me.

USAPA right now is a case study of a failed union and an example of what not to do. There is no other pilot group that doesn't look at this spectacle and shake their heads. So sorry, I won't engage beyond this post telling you why it's not worth it to post on a forum that is dominated by fifth grade insults.

Good riddance. Take Metro and Jetzz with you please. We are sick and tired of the ALPA lovers, supporting the group that had a major part in the pension theft. USAPA has achieved all that it intended to, and is now the bargaining agent that the company has to deal with. The Nic was a failed ALPA integration. Yet Prater did not have the backbone to stop the windfall. It cost him his cashflow. Southwest is taking the next big chunk. If anybody is failing, it is ALPA. PS watch the Parker video. Pay close attention to Ted. This is the kind of guy you support.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Good riddance. Take Metro and Jetzz with you please. We are sick and tired of the ALPA lovers, supporting the group that had a major part in the pension theft. USAPA has achieved all that it intended to, and is now the bargaining agent that the company has to deal with. The Nic was a failed ALPA integration. Yet Prater did not have the backbone to stop the windfall. It cost him his cashflow. Southwest is taking the next big chunk. If anybody is failing, it is ALPA. PS watch the Parker video. Pay close attention to Ted. This is the kind of guy you support.

ALPA, you got to luv the mentality " SCAB US JOIN US", Ask our boy LM if he was around to pay a strike assessment, lets put good hard working union members behind strikebreakers in a merger, yea thats punishment and DUKE SPELLACY, you go LEE! MM!

 

[700UW]

Question?

What do you call a pilot that performs another classification's work during a 30 day cooling off period?

And what do you call a pilot that performs struck work of another union?

 

[luvthe9]

Question?

What do you call a pilot that performs another classification's work during a 30 day cooling off period?

And what do you call a pilot that performs struck work of another union?

I know!!! an America West Pilot.

 

[700UW]

Funny,

There were no HP Pilots in CLT in 1992, only US Air.

Try again, your answer is wrong.

 

[Freighterguynow]

I don't recall the IAM asking ALPA to support your strike.

Question for you: Did they?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I don't recall the IAM asking ALPA to support your strike.

Question for you: Did they?

Wasn't that the "RAMEY " year where the IAM got hit with a big DFR by SEHAM? MM!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Funny,

There were no HP Pilots in CLT in 1992, only US Air.

Try again, your answer is wrong.

Wasn't that the year that ALL other major labor groups took concessions to help out the company, but the IAM actually struck for an INCREASE in pay and benefits? NO other labor group at U honored that strike either. All the pilots did was go to work so that they didn't get fired, which is what would have happened, and there would have been ZERO recourse, since ALPA did not recognize the strike.

When the strike was over, there were still two or three licensed mechanics doing each pushback at almost every station. The IAM didn't give up ANYTHING that was important.

 

[sumadarson]

USAPA right now is a case study of a failed union and an example of what not to do. There is no other pilot group that doesn't look at this spectacle and shake their heads. So sorry, I won't engage beyond this post telling you why it's not worth it to post on a forum that is dominated by fifth grade insults.

Your ALPA union took a back seat in any decision that required courage. The recent TSA changes that enhance the convenience of pilots going through security was done with Prater looking less than stellar. The unions mentioned were APA and USAPA for the reason for change. The new ALPA leader, Delta pilot Moak, is from the same mold as Prater, no courage.

 

[sumadarson]

USAPA was formed due to the impotence of ALPA. Other airlines are finding courage to do this themselves after the example set by USAirways pilots.


Delta Pilots Association

 

[Freighterguynow]

Wasn't that the year that ALL other major labor groups took concessions to help out the company, but the IAM actually struck for an INCREASE in pay and benefits? NO other labor group at U honored that strike either. All the pilots did was go to work so that they didn't get fired, which is what would have happened, and there would have been ZERO recourse, since ALPA did not recognize the strike.

That is exactly what happened and ( to answer my own question ) the IAM never asked for nor received the support of any other employee group.

20 years later the resident overlord ......... forget it Dude, lets bowl.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Question?

What do you call a pilot that performs another classification's work during a 30 day cooling off period?

I have a small question about this question. If someone wasn't doing their job during the 30 day cooling off period, they SHOULD have been fired, since they weren't on strike yet. Am I wrong on that? Also, in general, how can a pilot, as 700UW suggests, do the work of a mechanic? That entire concept doesn't make sense.

 

[700UW]

Wasn't that the year that ALL other major labor groups took concessions to help out the company, but the IAM actually struck for an INCREASE in pay and benefits? NO other labor group at U honored that strike either. All the pilots did was go to work so that they didn't get fired, which is what would have happened, and there would have been ZERO recourse, since ALPA did not recognize the strike.

When the strike was over, there were still two or three licensed mechanics doing each pushback at almost every station. The IAM didn't give up ANYTHING that was important.

First of all we didnt go on strike for an increase, we went on strike for scope language. You cant be fired for honoring a picketline. The AFA honored it and they had to be ordered back to work by the courts. And later on the AFA won the case when it went to arbitration.

And there were not 2 to 3 mechanics at each station, there was only mtc in 35 mainline stations, 10 of them were third shift only. US flew into almost 100 mainline stations at the time.

I think you need to stick to ALPA issues and not the IAM.

We took concessions, the mechanics were reduced from the line to go work in the hangar and there was a 50/50 ratio or mechanics and utility doing pushbacks.

Some pilots performed struck work, you made a sweetheart deal with the company to cross the picket line and every pilot would get paid for their trips if flown or not. US grounded all the DC9, MD80, F100,and F28 fleet.

So dont let the real truth get in the way.

 

[700UW]

I have a small question about this question. If someone wasn't doing their job during the 30 day cooling off period, they SHOULD have been fired, since they weren't on strike yet. Am I wrong on that? Also, in general, how can a pilot, as 700UW suggests, do the work of a mechanic? That entire concept doesn't make sense.

We were short staffed and didnt have enough manpower to cover all the flights, and I guess you forgot the Utility was part of mtc and pilots were cleaning planes when we werent there on time as we couldnt be in several places at one time.

I filed hundreds of grievances and you cost the company money and didnt help the cause.

Guess you forgot about that.

 

[sumadarson]

Question?

What do you call a pilot that performs another classification's work during a 30 day cooling off period?

And what do you call a pilot that performs struck work of another union?

A pilot that likes to empty lavs in your case. Please get to the point what are your accusations?