US Pilots Labor Discussion

[sumadarson]

We were short staffed and didnt have enough manpower to cover all the flights, and I guess you forgot the Utility was part of mtc and pilots were cleaning planes when we werent there on time as we couldnt be in several places at one time.

I filed hundreds of grievances and you cost the company money and didnt help the cause.

Guess you forgot about that.

Please provide proof of your accusations. You claim the pilots were cleaning airplanes, this is impossible because they have no training in the duty that you are describing and are not licensed by the FAA to do such duties.

Besides, how could you know when you were busy inside the bowels of the baggage area defecating in passenger bags.

 

[700UW]

Dude, we filed hundreds of grievances, are you serious?

We witnessed it and people got paid, and you dont have to be licensed to clean a plane, wow!

And your accusation is false, why dont you prove it?

In maintenance we dont handle bags. That would be fleet service and they were non-union in 1992.

 

[sumadarson]

Dude, we filed hundreds of grievances, are you serious?

We witnessed it and people got paid, and you dont have to be licensed to clean a plane, wow!

And your accusation is false, why dont you prove it?

In maintenance we dont handle bags. That would be fleet service and they were non-union in 1992.

What was your job classification at the time?

 

[sumadarson]

At the time of your cooling off period you were breaking jet-ways and making the elderly and children walk up stairs. I do not remember pilots trying to fix the jet-ways at that time.

 

[700UW]

No one was breaking anything, why dont you stick to the facts and stop making up lies.

 

[sumadarson]

No one was breaking anything, why dont you stick to the facts and stop making up lies.

Jetways did not work, that sticks in you mind when you see an 90 year old in a straight back being transported up and down stairs to get to the terminal in in climate weather. These are unpleasant facts of that time.

 

[700UW]

More urban legends, no one sabotaged anything, and stick to the facts that pilots performed struck work, and your facts are totally distorted on the events that took place. Address the issue, dont deflect and throw out mistruths.

 

[sumadarson]

More urban legends, no one sabotaged anything, and stick to the facts that pilots performed struck work, and your facts are totally distorted on the events that took place. Address the issue, dont deflect and throw out mistruths.

Your urban legends of pilots cleaning airplanes and lavs were not true. What was your job classification at that time?

 

[Captain Underpants]

Parker was very careful with his words, and we all tend to hear what we want to hear...but what I heard was him telling us all to kiss ol' St. Nic goodbye. And I don't mean Santa Clause. Never has been any doubt in my mind since May of 07' that Nic was DOA. Nice to hear Parker finally admitting it.

The LOA 93 remarks were telling. No matter what the decision by the arbitrator, it won't be based on any kind of "snapbacks." I am sure Parker and the gang on the top floor are loath to use the term "expiration." "Me thinks they doth protest too much" with apologies to anyone with a literary background.

RR

RR,

Obviously whatever seniority list we use will be a "disputed list" forever. Parker can no longer legally use the seniority "dispute" as an excuse not to bargain in good faith. The company has two choices..... accept USAPA's solution or maintain the status quo of separate operations. Seniority is simply not a legal way to avoid negotiating and signing a contract with USAPA as is required by the Railway Labor Act. The NMB has a mandate to obtain contract agreements and has a 100% success rate in achieving contract agreements and 99% of those without a labor strike.

The company's defense of LOA 93 is that it is clearly understood that the negotiators "intended" for the pay freeze to last indefinitely. The problem is they wrote the language and signed the contract with a definite end date and expiration of the pay freeze. LOA 93 only modified temporarily LOA 84 pay rates. The contract as written requires the rates return to LOA 84 rates once the temporary modification expires. Parker will either have to pay those rates now or pay higher rates later.

Trying to maintain a labor cost advantage is a guaranteed failed strategy. Airline history is littered with the figurative road kill of CEO's who have tried it.

underpants

 

[oldiebutgoody]

time.

I think you need to stick to ALPA issues and not the IAM.

We took concessions, the mechanics were reduced from the line to go work in the hangar and there was a 50/50 ratio or mechanics and utility doing pushbacks.

Some pilots performed struck work, you made a sweetheart deal with the company to cross the picket line and every pilot would get paid for their trips if flown or not. US grounded all the DC9, MD80, F100,and F28 fleet.

So dont let the real truth get in the way.

Hey, bucko. You're the one on the PILOT discussion board. If you don't want to hear the Pilots' perspective, go back to the IAM board.

I assure you, I was there. I remember it very well. The "scope" BS you talked about was keeping licensed mechanics on ALL pushbacks. I also recall that the settlement involved keeping the IAM on pushbacks at the MX stations, but allowing utility to do it where there was no Mx.

Those concessions you talk about were MUCH later, in the 2001-2002 timeframe, when things got really bad.

 

[luvthe9]

Trying to maintain a labor cost advantage is a guaranteed failed strategy. Airline history is littered with the figurative road kill of CEO's who have tried it.

underpants

Parker's not smart enough to run an airline, the only reason we are making money now is because of the east paycuts.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Dude, we filed hundreds of grievances, are you serious?

We witnessed it and people got paid, and you dont have to be licensed to clean a plane, wow!

And your accusation is false, why dont you prove it?

In maintenance we dont handle bags. That would be fleet service and they were non-union in 1992.

YOU PROVE YOUR ALLEGATIONS. YOU MADE 'EM, NOW PROVE 'EM. YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I never even saw a company letter or email or anything at all about pilots cleaning airplanes.

I do remember that even after your strike, the IAM came out way ahead, while ALL the other labor groups gave up concessions to help the company at the time.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

First of all we didnt go on strike for an increase, we went on strike for scope language. You cant be fired for honoring a picketline. The AFA honored it and they had to be ordered back to work by the courts. And later on the AFA won the case when it went to arbitration.

And there were not 2 to 3 mechanics at each station, there was only mtc in 35 mainline stations, 10 of them were third shift only. US flew into almost 100 mainline stations at the time.

I think you need to stick to ALPA issues and not the IAM.

We took concessions, the mechanics were reduced from the line to go work in the hangar and there was a 50/50 ratio or mechanics and utility doing pushbacks.

Some pilots performed struck work, you made a sweetheart deal with the company to cross the picket line and every pilot would get paid for their trips if flown or not. US grounded all the DC9, MD80, F100,and F28 fleet.

So dont let the real truth get in the way.

Some pilots? ALPA issues we agree they sux and our gone, whose struck work, what sweetheart deal pleez print it, and when those fleets were grounded no one obviously flew them! OKAY we give, ALPA your correct another reason their GONE!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

http://bapwild.com/blog/?cat=7 Now this is worth a second look after the PHX pilot meeting with DP! MM!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Parker's not smart enough to run an airline, the only reason we are making money now is because of the east paycuts.

He basically admitted as much in the latest Crew News video.