US Pilots Labor Discussion

[mikey60]

I guess with that said, pilots live in sloppy homes?

No....we have maids.

 

[mikey60]

I was educated with the idea that all trade unionists within a company respected each others right to strike and support each

other and not stab each other in the back.

You were what?...How about retypeing that sentence it came through garbled.

 

[mikey60]

FELLOW EAST PILOTS

Ihate to admit it but we have been duped by one of more of our friends from the planet Nicisdead. Since Nicisdead imploded several days ago they have been

drifting through space looking for new jobs selling big Mac's singing "ding dong the nic is dead". If caught they should be returned to the alpa

office asap that is if you can find one.

USAPA ...the ONE that ONE.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I was educated with the idea that all trade unionists within a company respected each others right to strike and support each

other and not stab each other in the back.

OKAY, but under the RLA some job actions are illegal, if you can give us a statement, anything where support of your job action by ALPA(SUX) was issued and disregarded it would make more sense, being sympathetic to a cause does not under thr RLA give a union the right to strike! MM!

 

[Black Swan]

Question?

What do you call a pilot that performs another classification's work during a 30 day cooling off period?

And what do you call a pilot that performs struck work of another union?

Here we go again with this dude. Another dull axe to grind.

 

[Black Swan]

We were short staffed and didnt have enough manpower to cover all the flights, and I guess you forgot the Utility was part of mtc and pilots were cleaning planes when we werent there on time as we couldnt be in several places at one time.

I filed hundreds of grievances and you cost the company money and didnt help the cause.

Guess you forgot about that.

Go find the ones that cleaned and have it out with them. I don't know of any, and wouldn't do it for this place anyway.

 

[700UW]

An arbitrator found at US that other unions have the right to honor a legal picket line, oh wait, you guess dont honor arbitration awards.

 

[mikey60]

700

The one thing you must remember : a union is to be used as a shield not as a sword. Utility personal forgot this at one time and it came back to

bite them. Don't try to blame your unions screw ups on another group of employees. How you boys do'in out west? sure cooled down in PHX

real fast huh.

USAPA.....looking ahead

alpa...neither a shield or a sword....a nothing

 

[FL430]

Question?

What do you call a pilot that performs another classification's work during a 30 day cooling off period?

And what do you call a pilot that performs struck work of another union?

And what do you call a mechanic or utility worker who attempts to do the pilots job?

Deceased.......

 

[jetjok1]

Go where?

You guys crack me up, another 10 pages and only one West post. Well for fun, here is my take on your paranoid rantings.

1. Cleary actually did an okay job in his interview regarding the new TSA security issues. Now if the idiot were not so obtuse when it came to getting his association sued for failure of DFR, we would all have a better contract with the Nic, which is the only way we are getting a contract.

2. Crew news. Lots of great stuff there.

You might want to look at that a third time for all the two time viewers who are too dense to figure out that he is talking to a West crowd. When he says "you need to decide on a list" he is not saying usapa needs to decide, usapa has already decided that they are going to try to be seniority thieves, and push DOH, "you need to decide" means both pilot groups need to decide. Well here is the news flash, took care of that three years ago, got the Nic, and it is still the only accepted seniority list at LCC, and will be the only implemented list at LCC.

He also mentions specifically, (on tape and admissable in court) that one of the criteria of any list must be that "no furloughees would be placed above working pilots". Sorry all you prolific, want to be seniority theif east posters. DOH ain't going to happen.



He says, the Nic is a "disputed list", well golly gee, who is disputing the Nic, the same seniority theifs who proposed the unquestionably "disputed" DOH list that was never accepted and indeed turned down at the negotiating table, and landed usap in DFR land. We will never get to "unquestionably ripe", because the company ain't touching your "disputed" list.

Parker admits, that if the declaratory judgement is dismissed, the company will appeal. Get it yet? They are not going to negotiate seniority with usap, and hence, they are not going to negotiate a contract with usap unless usap adopts the Nic in section 22.

He talks about the east furlough recalled to the 190 at the last CLT crew news who was complaining about the 190 rates and says, "she is going to be on those rates for a loooooonnnngggg time".

While talking of the loa93 grievence, "waste of time", disengenuine", "crystal clear language, there is no snapback", "not going to be one". He talks about the 10 page letter he sent us all, so that you folks know upfront, that you are not going to get it, and are not disappointed when you do not.

Did anybody bother to watch the F/A videos. Conclusion, "They are done". They are tired of the crap from the company caused by usap's reneging seniority theft scam. usap is going to be a backburner issue shortly.

To sum...you east guys wanted loa93 and seperate ops rather than the Nic. Parker and company have accepted your offer.


PS. triple dog dare usapa to try to determine a new profit sharing distribution method.

Nic,
You were one of the West pilots I had some respect for. I thought you were intelligent, level headed, with some insight on your responses. I no longer feel that way. You've fallen into the dismal abyss of your counterparts.........Name calling, lack of insightful comments, heading down the rogue venue.......to bad.......... I guess you guys are all from the same immature cut.......I was there, now I know why i left.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

That dismal abyss goes for both coasts. Speaking of which, some of the east pilots are drifting a little bit by arguing with the ground guys, they need to get back on topic, stroking each other over their big win on seniority.

 

[jetjok1]

An arbitrator found at US that other unions have the right to honor a legal picket line, oh wait, you guess dont honor arbitration awards.

Not phoney windfall type ones

 

[Bear96]

We gave up the same concessions as every other group. Our paycuts were actually longer cause we got screwed. And ask anyone mtc, utility or FAs, there were plenty of pilots cleaning planes, go ask Al Hemenway who had to authorize the grievances to be paid.

Wait, what?

Are you saying cleaning planes was performing struck work?

If so, then what were the grievances about? An employer has the right to use other employees to do stuck work. There would be nothing to grieve.

(This assumes that your allegations are even correct. I have a hard time picturing a pilot cleaning aircraft lavs.)

 

[luvthe9]

We were short staffed and didnt have enough manpower to cover all the flights, and I guess you forgot the Utility was part of mtc and pilots were cleaning planes when we werent there on time as we couldnt be in several places at one time.

I filed hundreds of grievances and you cost the company money and didnt help the cause.

Guess you forgot about that.

I remember the part about not being able to be in several places at one time. Especially during Eagles games in PHL. A lot of times the place of choosing was in front of a TV in the break room.............. 😀

 

[jetjok1]

I remember the part about not being able to be in several places at one time. Especially during Eagles games in PHL. A lot of times the place of choosing was in front of a TV in the break room.............. 😀

With their brand new big screen TV's and personal ipodsl