US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

Did any of the simple-minded, tunnel visioned posters here consider that once the courts are done, the Nicolau list may no longer be disputed?

Parker does not want to be on the hook for any liability. (ie: he wants an undisputed list.)

This is far from over. In the mean time, feel free to continue to interpret things the way it suits you. In the end the opinions on this bord will not change the outcome either way.

Don't be shy. Jump in the waters great.

P.S. Parker's wishes are somewhat irrelevant. He gets what he negotiates.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Did any of the simple-minded, tunnel visioned posters here consider that once the courts are done, the Nicolau list may no longer be disputed?

Parker does not want to be on the hook for any liability. (ie: he wants an undisputed list.)

This is far from over. In the mean time, feel free to continue to interpret things the way it suits you. In the end the opinions on this bord will not change the outcome either way.

He also said he had to listen to the current "bargaining unit" (his words) and that that was USAPA. So, unless USAPA presents the Nic list (good luck with THAT, since it's against the C&BLs), It's DEAD.

Talk about tunnel vision. That light you're looking at, it's the DOH with C&R train coming your way!

 

[700UW]

Not true in all cases. The pension was given away WITHOUT a rank and file vote. And that was HUGE. Probably for most folks it was the single biggest reason to get ALPA off the property. For some, it was second to the Nic award travesty.

If there's one thing that ALPA was really good at, it was scaring and dividing the pilots into accepting concessions.

My posting said voting on concessionary contracts, that does not include the pension. That is why I worded it the way I did.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Look in the mirror, you were ALPA, it wasnt your MEC who ratified concessions, it was the rank and file pilots, and your group hasnt voted down a concessionary contract in the past 20 years.

See your quote above. You said that the rank and file ratified concessions. You were wrong, again.

 

[700UW]

"Your Group Hasnt Voted Down a Concessionary Contract"

 

[john john]

Parker's not smart enough to run an airline, the only reason we are making money now is because of

FEES and the fear to collect them

 

[luvthe9]

Saturday Night Live on TSA. http://www.hulu.com/watch/194728/saturday-night-live-message-from-tsa

 

[luvthe9]

If Parker really thinks that, then why would he waste the company's money and go to court to get a DJ on the issue?

Wow, this guy is really clueless and should not be on our board!!!!!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Wow, this guy is really clueless and should not be on our board!!!!!

Yep. Really clueless AND lacking in English language skills. Either way, all he's doing is embarrassing himself and wasting bandwidth.

 

[Black Swan]

Winning the snap back would unleesh a #### storm like we've never seen yet. Actually getting it might be another story, that's when the shitstorm starts. Nic what? Contract what?

If it is a win, they better pay up. I for one will never dilute the $$$ with any deal. Let them park what ever they want. They can't do much, because we are at min fleet now. . The fact this company paid the pilot groups two separate wages all this time, and the east pilots were held down, well, as Kasher said "If you owe them, you WILL pay them.." There is no watering down on this one. Simply the cost of doing business. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

If it is a win, they better pay up. I for one will never dilute the $$$ with any deal. Let them park what ever they want. They can't do much, because we are at min fleet now. . The fact this company paid the pilot groups two separate wages all this time, and the east pilots were held down, well, as Kasher said "If you owe them, you WILL pay them.." There is no watering down on this one. Simply the cost of doing business. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm with ya on this. Let's just hope there aren't too many "weak sisters".

 

[Ames]

Winning the snap back would unleesh a #### storm like we've never seen yet. Actually getting it might be another story, that's when the shitstorm starts. Nic what? Contract what?

What would stop Parker from "disputing" the arbitrator's decision? Just like the eastholes are "disputing" another arbitrator's decision.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

What would stop Parker from "disputing" the arbitrator's decision? Just like the eastholes are "disputing" another arbitrator's decision.

I guess they would just file a DFR against USAPA. That's what AOL's lawyers would do.

 

[Reed Richards]

What would stop Parker from "disputing" the arbitrator's decision? Just like the eastholes are "disputing" another arbitrator's decision.

The truth is, what is going on with LOA 93 is indeed binding Federal Arbitration. If the decision does not go our way, that is pretty much the end for us, barring proof of a payoff to someone.

As to what the Company will do if they end up with the short stick..who knows. They might get a delay, but not much else. They are in the same boat we are.

So ...internal, non ratified, and failed ex-union matter vs. binding Federal Arbitration. Apples and oranges.

RR

 

[nycbusdriver]

So ...internal, non ratified, and failed ex-union matter vs. binding Federal Arbitration. Apples and oranges.

RR

They've been told the difference on this forum a gazillion times. They don't have the mental capacity (or maybe the psychological stamina?) to understand the difference.