US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

I know what you make. The percentage is plastered all over these boards. Really doesn't matter what the percentage is if you understand the point I'm making

Please, do tell.

What exactly is the point you are trying to get across?

And if you mean the 24% is plastered all over this board and you are using said board as your source, then I have to laugh at you.

 

[EastUS1]

Relative seniority and the fact that the continuous service was for an airline that no longer exists.

Do you not get the memo on the merger?

Do you not get the question? The question was, and apparently must be repeated here: "What MORAL basis exists for placing any person, with far less years worked within the same class and craft, as "senior" to any other with more years of service performed?"

What you've offered addresses that in no way, shape or form.
Not to fret. For such as yourself and like minded minions....It's clearly a "Trick Question".

 

[Move2CLT]

Do you not get the question? The question was, and apparently must be repeated here: "What MORAL basis exists....?" What you've offered addresses that in no way, shape or form.
Not to fret. For such as yourself and like minded minions....It's clearly a "Trick Question".

Did you not get the answer?

This is business and not a morality issue.

If morality figured into all this, USAPA would cease to exist.

You easties have no place when it comes to talking about morality.

I wonder how that Appeals Board election challenge is coming along. You know the one East, right? Where the double standard is being used IMMORALLY against the west. Or how about that DL grievance that TP just immorally handed to the company with no fight.

Or, wait for it, how about that FINAL and BINDING award that you guys have IMMORALLY tried to avoid even though you agreed to the process.

Sounds like you have your own double standard.

 

[EastUS1]

This is business and not a morality issue.

Sigh!..Then there's no chance for an "Integrity Matters" T shirt then, as I'm certain your gang's long since stopped printing them....

 

[jetjok1]

You seem so concerned about this 24%.

How about you give us some details.

Is it the west doing 24% of east flying or is it 24% of the west flying comes from the east?
You guys always leave out the part about the 4% that that the east is doing of west flying.

Tell us what is the net effect of this shift in flying? usapa lied to the court and said it would effect 330 pilots. Care to prove the case?

BTW who do you think has higher work rule costs? East or West? Listen to Parkers crew news he has said that the TOTAL cost for crews is about the same. So that means because you are at the bottom of the industry wages your rules must be more expensive. You think all that training you guys do is free?

Clear, want to tell me how many posts I've made on these boards. Then , would you tell me how many posts I've mentioned percentage of flying.........thought so! Show me where my concern lies please. Also, if you understood my posts, it's not the percentage that's of importance. Pick a number...doesn't matter. The post was made that the value of the airline is in the east routes. Move responded that it wasnt the routes that are valuable, it's loa 93. Then, one can assume your routes are unprofitable because of your non loa93 earnings. Wasn't saying anything about high costs. I was referring to your superior wages and contractual benefits. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else on these boards.....period!

 

[traderjake]

"What MORAL basis exists for placing any person, with far less years worked within the same class and craft, as "senior" to any other with more years of service performed?"

LOS is not seniority, four pilot seniority arbitrations in a row (USAirways-Shuttle, USAirways-America West, Delta-Northwest, and Frontier- Republic) say so.

Seniority is your position on a seniority list, that's way it's called a seniority number.

If you were the last pilot hired at USAir for 10 years are you any more senior at year ten than year one?

No, you have 10 years LOS and are still the junior pilot at the airline.

 

[Move2CLT]

Sigh!..Then there's no chance for an "Integrity Matters" T shirt then, as I'm certain your gang's long since stopped printing them....

Not at all. We still print them. Business integrity is still considered a great quality to have out here in the west.

But, alas, what do you know of integrity.

And it shows.

 

[jetjok1]

Please, do tell.

What exactly is the point you are trying to get across?

And if you mean the 24% is plastered all over this board and you are using said board as your source, then I have to laugh at you.

Forget it.....it's not worth the bandwidth. Laugh away I could care less. Funny thing is....you live on these boards...I don't...now I have to laugh at you

 

[cleardirect]

Do you not get the question? The question was, and apparently must be repeated here: "What MORAL basis exists for placing any person, with far less years worked within the same class and craft, as "senior" to any other with more years of service performed?"

What you've offered addresses that in no way, shape or form.
Not to fret. For such as yourself and like minded minions....It's clearly a "Trick Question".

I have searched the ALPA merger policy and the A/M and I can not find where morality is used as a factor in determining seniority.

But what moral basis do you east pilots have for ignoring binding arbitration? It really is simple. You make a deal. Agree to the terms and live up to those terms. The morally correct thing to do.

You east pilots. Don't like the answer for seniority. Ignore it. Don't like the answer for the MDA arbitration, sue the arbitrator. Don't like who got elected to the appeal board, void the election. Mind you using the exact same method that was used before. Don't like the answers Seham is giving you, fired him and sue him. And you guys wonder why the west is unwilling to make a deal with you. Because you all have proven yourselves untrustworthy over and over again. the only thing that we can count on the east to follow through on is that you will go back on your word.

You guys got no ground to stand on talking about morality.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Read section IV-a per the transition agreement. We will never get the joint contract. No 3rd party provision.

Bye bye Rainman (west losers)

Bye. Bye

 

[Move2CLT]

Bye bye Rainman (west losers)

Bye. Bye

Blind leading the blind. LMAO.

 

[Move2CLT]

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[Move2CLT]

Forget it.....it's not worth the bandwidth. Laugh away I could care less. Funny thing is....you live on these boards...I don't...now I have to laugh at you

I'm truley am laughing at you. Thank you.

And with USAPA to your credit and voluntarily staying on LOA 93, you're in no position to laugh at anyone but yourself.

 

[crazystnic]

after thinking tonight.and listening to James Taylor and relaxing..

I've decided not to post on here anymore...

It really is just a waste of time...

I had previously blocked Move 2 as he was just toxic....

had respect for Bean.. and others....

Don't understand How Jim can hate his former employee peers so much..

but that is all just noise in the back ground anyway...

bottom line is my time can be better spent hanging out with my son and taking care of life...

I think it's a tradgedy we have gotten to this situation and I honestly don't think it's going to end anytime soon.

I'm an 89 hire.. I had 9.5 years in the seat (longevity at the time of the merger)

I flew 727 CAPT while furloughed.

I bypassed recall as long as possible and came back in 2007. Yes I was and am running a mortgage business.

I have 14.5 years in now...

I have 16 yeas left if I make it that long.

My Dad was rEAL and I saw what that train wreck did to a lot of people...

I've been flying since 14 and this infighting is just such a mess....

The nonsense and things I read on here are just crazy... we are supposed to be professionals.

I still think ALPA screwed the pooch on this list and that it is massively unfair..

I also will never vote for any contract that has the NIC in it..

but

I hope the best for all..

best

K2

 

[traderjake]

Don't understand How Jim can hate his former employee peers so much..

I hate what my peers are doing.

There is no ambiguity here, it's wrong to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process.

You may believe that the Nicolau Award is not fair but the arbitrators of the last four pilot seniority arbitrations say you're wrong.