US Pilots Labor Thread 3/18-3/25-MUST READ FIRST POST

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Do you really think that in the current climate in this country that isn't a possibility?

U-udder - try working through the logic of such a statement and you will realize what a preposterous thing an ALPA bribe would be. Take fifteen minutes, work through it in your brain. You will see it for what it is: utter nonsense.

This usapan collections "agent" is so blinded and slow minded, his mental processes never even entered the building.

 

[Pacemaker]

U2-

The word you're looking for is "longevity". 10 years of longevity bought a captain's seat at AWA and a lineholding F/O at USAir, though they were equally senior at their respective airlines. Nicolau grasped this, and I would expect that Judge Wake will also.

In 2005? More like 17-18 for lineholder F/O. Furloughs went back to '88 hires. The airline had a little over 6000 pilots at the peak around 1990, and somwhere around 3500 in '05.

 

[Ardenian]

The airline had a little over 6000 pilots at the peak around 1990, and somwhere around 3500 in '05.

Now about 2800 Easties. Reduction since LOA 93 is split about 50/50 between retirements and those who pulled the plug.

 

[Ardenian]

I guess this is what is called brinkmanship. There are other words for what you are describing. Extortion comes to mind, intimidation, blackmail.

Perhaps you could threaten the rest of the employee groups into paying a little protection money to keep the east pilots from shutting down the airline.

Quack, quack, quack, quack...

This is beyond speculation, this is childish speculation. How much time which might have been otherwise productive has been wasted uselessly beating chests here? This is what a psychologist would call arrested maturity.

The next stage of development might be called "USA320 syndrome." Creating a self-percieved significance by fabricated personality which requires no actual interface with other human beings, therefore avoiding experiencing any potentially negative feedback which actually can provide realistic valdiation...

This, unfortunately is pervasive among our combined list. We seem to have collectively forgotten there is a real world outside of this singular issue.

 

[Richard]

Folks,

Yet another reminder that insulting or attacking individual poster OR groups is strictly prohibited. We have already had to delete a number of pending posts in this thread, so PLEASE observe the rules. Suspensions or terminations WILL follow.

Thank you.

 

[ussnark]

There IS more to life than our "favorite" employer, but before you jump. you have to get your arms around the fact that the mgmnt style of Tempe is more prevalent and pervsive than you might think.

Indeed, and they all (both of them) operate bottom of the barrel corporations in their respective industries. and, besides, I don't think jumping would be an option for nyc because when it gets to him, there would be nothing to jump from, like jumping from a ship already resting on the bottom.

Hopefully, after this economic mess is cleaned up and re-regulation finally re-imposed, tempe type people will shunned at the corporate level, at least for a couple of decades.

 

[pilotn79]

Hopefully, after this economic mess is cleaned up and re-regulation finally re-imposed, tempe type people will shunned at the corporate level, at least for a couple of decades.

What do you propose, Socialism?

 

[ussnark]

What do you propose, Socialism?

Ah.

Socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

What do you think of the lowly stop sign? A sign of socialism or not?

 

[UtterlyUdder]

Quack, quack, quack, quack...

This is beyond speculation, this is childish speculation. How much time which might have been otherwise productive has been wasted uselessly beating chests here? This is what a psychologist would call arrested maturity.

The next stage of development might be called "USA320 syndrome." Creating a self-percieved significance by fabricated personality which requires no actual interface with other human beings, therefore avoiding experiencing any potentially negative feedback which actually can provide realistic valdiation...

This, unfortunately is pervasive among our combined list. We seem to have collectively forgotten there is a real world outside of this singular issue.

Love your post; like your dog. LOL on the "USA320 syndrome"!!!

 

[traderjake]

Maybe.

Judge the resolve of the east pilots by the fact that we are ready to go .....

And, when it is all over: There is life after USAirways.

I don't know where you think you're going but when you get there you won't find a flying job as good as the one you got here.

At least not in this hemisphere.

Maybe you don't need this job, if so, good for you.

I know Mike Cleary doesn't, which explains his willingness to burn the house down.

 

[pilotn79]

I don't know where you think you're going but when you get there you won't find a flying job as good as the one you got here.

At least not in this hemisphere.

Maybe you don't need this job, if so, good for you.

I know Mike Cleary doesn't, which explains his willingness to burn the house down.

The Cleary group has a list. The Section 29 list comes to mind. The Cactus 18 comes to mind. Susie comes to mind. I propose a list of my own. Lists are very effective when used properly. They can make life very difficult for pilots on that list. I've known Eastern Airlines pilots on a list that made life very difficult.

No list yet, just an idea if things keep heading a certain direction. ead between the lines...

 

[ussnark]

I don't know where you think you're going but when you get there you won't find a flying job as good as the one you got here.

I think you are projecting your fears on others. and, "good" is such a relative term. I found a job last spring that only works ten days per month, you know your schedule three months in advance, pays as well as a ab captain, better benefits, etc. and so on. They needed someone right then and I could not accommodate them.

The jobs are out there. It just helps to look.

I know Mike Cleary doesn't, which explains his willingness to burn the house down.

Yeah, then he would be out of a job. That would be real smart, now, wouldn't it? It seems your alias may contains projection, also.

 

[luvn737s]

The Cleary group has a list. The Section 29 list comes to mind. The Cactus 18 comes to mind. Susie comes to mind. I propose a list of my own. Lists are very effective when used properly. They can make life very difficult for pilots on that list. I've known Eastern Airlines pilots on a list that made life very difficult.

No list yet, just an idea if things keep heading a certain direction. ead between the lines...

A list you say? That's some scary stuff there partner, scary! You don't think USAPA has made life difficult (even for itself?) Maybe Brat-ford is on his own list. That would be the only explanantion that makes any sense.

 

[traderjake]

The Cleary group has a list....... I propose a list of my own. Lists are very effective when used properly. They can make life very difficult for pilots on that list.

This isn't Junior High school and you aren't the school yard bully. You're not Tony Soprano either.

You're not coercing anyone.

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Does that statement mean that everyone is so honest in ALPO that "influence" is udder nonsense? I think you should examine what you wrote because it is preposterous. You really think ALPO is serving or has served the best interests of pilots? That is REALLY preposterous! They pit pilot against pilot, airline against airline. Hmmmm......somewhat like you do on this pilot to pilot forum.

U-udder <-------specifically for you. :blink:

Ah - the usual "deflection." By the way - your derogatory term for ALPA has been admonished by amins here several times. Shame on you. Having said that, there certainly are crooks within ALPA - probably just about as many as ther are within usapa. Remember - show me forced dues money collection, and I'll show you at least one crook.

So are you backing off of your ALPA bribed Nicolau theory? The one that the usapan dues collection agent put forth?

Influence is one thing - and of course both sides tried to INFLUENCE Nicolau. What the heck do you think arbitration is, anyhow?

But bribery? That sounds like criminal activity.

Admit your error utterlyudderless - bribery did not occur.