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[Junebug172]

JuneBug

Your MEC need to use the Wilson Poll back during your last contract.
They would have found out just how little you guys think your worth. :down:
Seeing that your membership vote to accept it after the MEC passed it down as a TA. :down:

So what's your excuse for the bottom of the industry contract?

jLj

LOA93

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Wish I could take credit for this post, but alas, I cannot. I italicized it so as not to mistakenly be given credit for such a fine piece of work.

I hope you believe that, I really do. Better tell your friend to go back to school. Especially on the part of decertifying.

Once again, it takes 50%+1 of ALL ELIGIBLE PILOTS to mail a card in. If the cards stand up to the expected challenges and are proven true, the NMB will call for an election.

You must have 50%+1 of all eligible pilots cast a ballot. The winner of the dercert is simple majority. 50%+1 of the votes cast. Repeat, 50%+1 of all eligible pilots must cast a ballot to elect or re-elect a bargaining rep.

Finally, If LESS than 50%+1 of all eligible pilots cast a vote, you will have decertification and NO union representation. Check out the NMB website link that BoeingBoy posted on one of the closed threads addressing this subject.

I have said this multiple times on different threads. It is easier to decertify ALPA than it is to get an election. Think about it.

 

[Phoenix]

Think about it.

Thats an awful lot to ask. Can we negotiate that for Junebug?

 

[sharktooth]

I am now forming a new opinion on Nic. If it lives I win. If it dies, I win again. Beginning to like my odds and still get a new union out of it. Ask me again later when new information becomes available.

Now you are "getting" it!

BTW, why does the insect continue to toss the canard of "DOH without conditions and restrictions"? I don't think anyone wanted straight up DOH.

 

[AWA320]

I wish you guys would read my posts. There will be no base reps. Thats easy. Now, your block reps will have approximately 300 pilot constiuents. Those pilots could come from one base, or all bases. That is how all pilots are represented. I have said before, every one will be represented. It's your choice to either participate or not. This is not ALPA representation by seat position or base. Quite simple really. Is that what you can't figure out? I have posted this before.

Why now? Once again it's simple. Unity. For the first time in 20 years this pilot group is more unified than it ever has been. My reason for supporting USAPA is to see ALPA removed from the property. So why now again? USAPA only gets one shot a year at NMB filing. Why waste it? Look how we're doing? Oh that's right, you already know we only have a small minority of cards. Please keep thinking that.

Oh how could I ever argue about the fairness of a block system and it would just so happen that every block leader would be an eastie huh? :huh: No thanks AAA73 I owuld rather stay with the current system, atleast that way I have some say in my future!!

 

[sharktooth]

Oh how could I ever argue about the fairness of a block system and it would just so happen that every block leader would be an eastie huh? :huh: No thanks AAA73 I owuld rather stay with the current system, atleast that way I have some say in my future!!

You bring up a good point. No one in the new union wants any one pilot disadvantaged, ever. Realize, too, that if the blocks are arraigned by seniority (DOH, for instance), that some, if not many blocks will be encompassed within the normal bounds of the westies, PHX and LAS areas, allowing name-recognized individuals from those areas to "lead". What you fear would only occur with the use of the "nic".

Please ask someone on the new website to ask that very question and report back with the answers, or do it all yourself.

I think transparency is the name of the game with the new union. Try it.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Oh how could I ever argue about the fairness of a block system and it would just so happen that every block leader would be an eastie huh? :huh: No thanks AAA73 I owuld rather stay with the current system, atleast that way I have some say in my future!!

Every block leader an east pilot? Think it through, it's not possible.

You will have a say. On all matters that would affect all pilots, you will be given a vote. No backroom deals, no subterfuge and no more sellouts by a few in leadership.

Under ALPA your "say" only counts as long as it is not counter to Nationals policy and objectives. Why would anybody want to stay in a system and organization that cares more about itself than it does for its constituents? Please explain why you would want to do that? Or is the warm fuzzy of having someone else make decisions for you to hard to give up? USAPA needs and wants everyone to participate.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't need to look it up. Does that mean the west is resurrecting AWAPA? That is great!! It means ALPA will be off the property once and for all. Please send in your cards and get you guys on the ballot. ALPA, AWAPA, USAPA. I think ALPA is toast in this scenario.

For arguments sake we will pretend that the starting numbers (you claim) of who is eliblbe to vote are accurate. (but they are chaning daily).

The relevant point that you are wrong about is the number of USAPA votes it will take to for USAPA to be the bargaining agent. It is as little as 1,151 (with your numbers). It could be higher. It all depends on how many vote. So again, your number for USAPA to prevail is wrong. How uncharacteristic.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

QUOTE(AAA73Pilot @ Sep 9 2007, 04:35 AM)
Don't need to look it up. Does that mean the west is resurrecting AWAPA? That is great!! It means ALPA will be off the property once and for all. Please send in your cards and get you guys on the ballot. ALPA, AWAPA, USAPA. I think ALPA is toast in this scenario.

For arguments sake we will pretend that the starting numbers (you claim) of who is eliblbe to vote are accurate. (but they are chaning daily).

The relevant point that you are wrong about is the number of USAPA votes it will take to for USAPA to be the bargaining agent. It is as little as 1,151 (with your numbers). It could be higher. It all depends on how many vote. So again, your number for USAPA to prevail is wrong. How uncharacteristic.

Who's numbers are you refering to? I didn't post them, Junebug did. And they were/are wrong. But don't take my word for it, check them out again. Strange reply to my quote you used.

 

[AWA320]

Every block leader an east pilot? Think it through, it's not possible.

You will have a say. On all matters that would affect all pilots, you will be given a vote. No backroom deals, no subterfuge and no more sellouts by a few in leadership.

Well that must be an east trait, never felt sold out never sold anyone out!!!

Under ALPA your "say" only counts as long as it is not counter to Nationals policy and objectives. Why would anybody want to stay in a system and organization that cares more about itself than it does for its constituents? Please explain why you would want to do that? Or is the warm fuzzy of having someone else make decisions for you to hard to give up? USAPA needs and wants everyone to participate.

I'm sorry AAA73 I just can't get with your program. You guys only seek to get out of your obligation of a binding arbitration and will stop at nothing to get your way. Funny thing is you have been treated like crap by management for years and now you wish to changes representation. If you had gotton DOH and made this request I could maybe respect it but as it is not I can not and will do everything in my power to see that you fail. Sorry it's come to that bro as my energy would better be served fighting management and not my fellow pilots however you made the rules not me...

 

[BottomFeeder]

will stop at nothing to get your way.

AWA320

Your MEC's GREED is the real threat.

The brash attitude displayed as to who saved who
Taking the 10% 401K and Profit Sharing with not even a Thank You
Getting a 3% pay raise and no offer to share
Wanting the 70 Million pay out
Wanting the Stock Options

Sorry but you need to look in the mirror to see the real enemy. The big Green guy that looks like Hulk

You asked for it and now USAPA is here.

 

[Junebug172]

You asked for it and now USAPA is here.

YAWN

 

[prechilill]

You asked for it and now USAPA is here.

I anxiously await the arrival of your "union". Is October the new estimated time for the vote, or has it been pushed back again?

 

[SkyRat]

AWA320

Your MEC's GREED is the real threat.
Really... Like the one that instructed "their" MC to only accept DOH? Or wants to overturn an award that BOTH parties agreed to accept?

The brash attitude displayed as to who saved who
Irrelevant

Taking the 10% 401K and Profit Sharing with not even a Thank You
THANK YOU! A kiss good night too?

Getting a 3% pay raise and no offer to share
That was negotiated on our last CBA.

Wanting the 70 Million pay out
Hmmm!

Wanting the Stock Options
Why not... After all, we are ONE pilot group now.

Sorry but you need to look in the mirror to see the real enemy. The big Green guy that looks like Hulk

You asked for it and now USAPA is here.
Where?

BottomF, I agree with you in a lot of things. Probably more than you might think.

That ALPO is a political organization that sometimes could be flawed, that its only purpose is to exist. That the way National "controls" or attempts to every council for the "organization" well being or "survival". An overpaid and inept president, among others. An organization that does NOT knows what binding is (lets forget about that one 🙄 )

I will dump ALPO in a heartbeat, as I was involved w/ the AWAPA drive that gave National a huge headache.

But here's my take. It is "The Leaders" that we put in charge that can and will make the difference. The ones that we can trust to make the right decisions, represent us and be true pilot advocates. Remember that a UNION is what you make out of it!

So UZAPA or AWAPA or IAM or Teamsters? It will not make a difference as long as we elect the same leaders. Some are spineless, some don't have a clue on how to play politics, and some others are just inept, so regardless of the vehicle, we need good drivers.

Remember that dumping ALPO will not change what WE have right now. Will not change what YOUR leaders have negotiated for you, agreed upon. Get those that make the decisions for you, to WORK for you. But they need to be educated, use all the resources and legal advise available to be effective, to achieve YOUR goals.

GL

 

[sharktooth]

I'm sorry AAA73 I just can't get with your program. You guys only seek to get out of your obligation of a binding arbitration and will stop at nothing to get your way. Funny thing is you have been treated like crap by management for years and now you wish to changes representation. If you had gotton DOH and made this request I could maybe respect it but as it is not I can not and will do everything in my power to see that you fail. Sorry it's come to that bro as my energy would better be served fighting management and not my fellow pilots however you made the rules not me...

Huh?

and, I believe it is, DOH <<<<with>>>> conditions and restrictions.

It is not something the east pilots dreamed up. You and your west pilot group made this possible through your actions and lack of action. Thanks.