AFA labor discussion (Work related)

[Travelpro72]

Well when you have candidates running who do not live in PHL nor have stated their intention of moving there it's a great question. i'm personally not in approval of officers running PHL from their home in another city. That isn't bashing but the PHL f/a's truly involved and concerned with whom they may vote for.

 

[VAflyGal]

Wow. I see the negative campaigning is in full swing in philly. Now the candidates are coming on this site with their negative campaigning. If the members took notice of our CLT re run election they will see the negative campaigning is what sunk the ship for the incumbent. The members are tired of the rhetoric and negative campaigning. AC never told us what she was going to do differently but only how crazy Cathy was. Apparently the members are looking at what the candidates can actually do. Good luck with the typical philly bashing. Look where it got you the last 3 LEC offices. We listened to what Cathy had to say and not what Ann couldnt do and made our choice. Seems the numbers indicated what the members wanted. It appears as long as the candidate lives in philly they must be the best candidate. Amazing the way you guys think up there. Sounds like the nuts running the assylum once again. Will philly ever change?

I didn't say anything negative. I wasn't talking about PHL. Who peed in your Corn Flakes?
This is why I quit coming to this site and like Facebook better. You can actually have an intelligent conversation / discussion without someone anony$ously bashing what they thought you meant. Get a grip.

 

[galley princess]

Just curious how you guys feel about LEC officers living in base versus commuting? Do you think one situation provides for a better opportunity to be productive? I wonder how many of us consider all the ins and outs of what each candidate brings to the table for the group at large?

Frankly, it's going to depend who is running. If he/ she is smart, ethical and able to deal with the inevitable nonsense that comes with the position, they can live on Mars. US has closed too many bases for us to be that particular. I just want them to cut the legs off of the JNC and find a way to implement a re-work of the mess that is the work in progress right now between AFA and the company. They should also be able to rally f/as because this is headed toward CHAOS and we need decent leaders as well as concrete case law to give to CHAOS volunteers.

If they can do that, they can have three heads and a stammer, I'll still vote for them.

 

[KARL ROVER]

I didn't say anything negative. I wasn't talking about PHL. Who peed in your Corn Flakes?
This is why I quit coming to this site and like Facebook better. You can actually have an intelligent conversation / discussion without someone anony$ously bashing what they thought you meant. Get a grip.

I am not bashing you. I also realize the original posting was not for the purpose of an intelligent conversation. You are outing yourself as a candidate who lives in your base. Correct me if I am wrong but dont two of the three officers currently being recalled live in philly? Why would you be recalling them if they live in base? Isnt that the primary prerequisite according to the original post? The original post was nothing more than a campaign feeler and galley princess saw right through it. I really dont like to get involved with other bases but we in CLT are counting on a change in PHL and DCA . All eyes are on these elections regardless of their domiciles. We are in agreement with galley princess it is time for ethical , upstanding leaders who care about the members to change things around here.

 

[flyus2]

I am not bashing you. I also realize the original posting was not for the purpose of an intelligent conversation. You are outing yourself as a candidate who lives in your base. Correct me if I am wrong but dont two of the three officers currently being recalled live in philly? Why would you be recalling them if they live in base? Isnt that the primary prerequisite according to the original post? The original post was nothing more than a campaign feeler and galley princess saw right through it. I really dont like to get involved with other bases but we in CLT are counting on a change in PHL and DCA . All eyes are on these elections regardless of their domiciles. We are in agreement with galley princess it is time for ethical , upstanding leaders who care about the members to change things around here.

I believe the author was referring to DCA, as the incumbant has a very formidable opponent, although she doesn't live in the DCA area.....who cares? As long as she can rally the troops, show up for meetings and represent the membership, and not just do crew room "appearances" when it serves their agenda, go for it!!!

 

[Onestep2flt]

I believe the author was referring to DCA, as the incumbant has a very formidable opponent, although she doesn't live in the DCA area.....who cares? As long as she can rally the troops, show up for meetings and represent the membership, and not just do crew room "appearances" when it serves their agenda, go for it!!!

I agree that it is unfair to think that a person not living in base can't be a good union leader. It is also unfair if a person who has a home outside of base believes they can run the show from their home. It is no different than any other commuter. You are expected to be at your base of operations for your trip. If you are a union leader in Philly you should be in Philly during the course of the workday. Does not mean you can't go home on your days off.

I think the original poster may be bringing up visions of a past leader who was either busy flying ETB trips or "working" from home. This is a legitimate concern but should not be a show stopper at all. You can elect someone who lives in base that could do the very same thing! Maybe they are running for the position because they just don't want to fly. Maybe they want to fly ETB and not be hindered by all those pesky rules the rest of you have to follow.

You must choose carefully by asking these people themselves why they are running and what their plans are for the office which they are running. That is more important than where they live.

 

[missthe727]

I believe the author was referring to DCA, as the incumbant has a very formidable opponent, although she doesn't live in the DCA area.....who cares? As long as she can rally the troops, show up for meetings and represent the membership, and not just do crew room "appearances" when it serves their agenda, go for it!!!

Correct me if I am wrong, and I know all you people will if I am, but didn't PHL local pay for JM to have an apartment in PHL ? or didn't he have it in as part of the budget? I am NOT sure, just remember hearing something aboout that and if it is true then yes, I think any elected officer who wants to be running the base should be living in it. They need to be in the office a certain amount of days, right ? They need to be able to communicate with their other officers in the most cost effective way and that is face to face and not burning up the phone lines. It is just my opinion but I think a requirement should be that they do live in base to be able to really know what's going on there. Sitting at home running the office from your computer is not a great way to stay in touch.

 

[Zarah]

It is not necessary, IMHO, that they live in base. It is necessary that they be in base when they are needed without any prodding from others. It is necessary that they spend time in the office with the other elected officials to build teamwork. It is necessary that they use technology to keep in touch with the member's, union office, etc.

 

[Travelpro72]

Ok, John claims his apartment in Philly as it's allowed per the C&B's. Is it ETHICAL to claim your apartment in a base that is 80ish % commuters? Also is it ETHICAL when the base is over 20k in the hole? Ummm that would be a no in my book. It doesn't matter now since he'll be leaving soon enough. I agree that you can be a great union leader though you may not live in base. I don't want another president or vice president that has no intention of being in the office for a good portion of their time. Not gonna happen.

 

[PHLfa88]

I didn't say anything negative. I wasn't talking about PHL. Who peed in your Corn Flakes?
This is why I quit coming to this site and like Facebook better. You can actually have an intelligent conversation / discussion without someone anony$ously bashing what they thought you meant. Get a grip.

That is Exactly why I don't come here anymore as well...The Same People Bitching about the same issues!!

 

[NoMoreKoolAid]

That is Exactly why I don't come here anymore...

As the members of USAviation breathe a collective sigh of relief. Which Rally did you attend PHLFa88ATL? Wait- you were to busy i bet.

 

[crazylikefox]

On the subject of whether or not a union rep should live in base or out, I have a few thoughts.

First, a union rep needs to be in base during office hours to be available to the membership. If you are a F/A who has been called into a Supervisor's office for a "meeting" you need to have a union rep with you. Sometimes these scenarios present themselves in an unplanned (ie days in advance) situation. A rep can't represent you if they can't get to the airport in a relatively short period of time. Hard to get there if you live in TPA, ATL, IAH or even BOS to name a few. Also,, God forbid, what if there is a critical incident? If they are willing to come up during the week that's fine.

Second, the C&Bs do allow for you to claim the expenses of a commuter pad. That is for now, nothing says that the C&Bs can't be modified to bring more fiscal responsibility to our union. The LEC President can propose a change to the C&Bs at the BOD meeting. I believe that they do have to do this in advance of the meeting by submitting the proposed amendment, and take a few other steps as well. The membership can ask the LEC President to do this at a local council meeting.

We can't leave important issues to us in limbo. WE have to dictate to our leadership what WE want. WE have to make them accountable and WE have to stick to our guns. I believe that the first steps have been taken, as seen in CLT and PHL. Be smart in who we elect, correct them if they misstep and, if needed, replace them.

As for those recalled officers who have plopped their names back on the ballot, shame on them. If they get re-elected...shame on you.

Taking back OUR union one step at a time!

 

[VAflyGal]

I am not bashing you. I also realize the original posting was not for the purpose of an intelligent conversation. You are outing yourself as a candidate who lives in your base. Correct me if I am wrong but dont two of the three officers currently being recalled live in philly? Why would you be recalling them if they live in base? Isnt that the primary prerequisite according to the original post? The original post was nothing more than a campaign feeler and galley princess saw right through it. I really dont like to get involved with other bases but we in CLT are counting on a change in PHL and DCA . All eyes are on these elections regardless of their domiciles. We are in agreement with galley princess it is time for ethical , upstanding leaders who care about the members to change things around here.

First of all I am not a candidate so EEEEEEEEEGHHHHTTTTT, Wrong. No campaign feeding here. Not commenting on where I'm based but you're out to lunch and way off base with your perception of me, so stop projecting. I was in fact looking for some intelligent conversation but I guess I overestimated someone.

Peace!

 

[InternationalDan]

First of all I am not a candidate so EEEEEEEEEGHHHHTTTTT, Wrong. No campaign feeding here. Not commenting on where I'm based but you're out to lunch and way off base with your perception of me, so stop projecting. I was in fact looking for some intelligent conversation but I guess I overestimated someone.

Peace!

I wish I was a flight attendant....


Dan

 

[Onestep2flt]

It is not necessary, IMHO, that they live in base. It is necessary that they be in base when they are needed without any prodding from others. It is necessary that they spend time in the office with the other elected officials to build teamwork. It is necessary that they use technology to keep in touch with the member's, union office, etc.

The above post sums it up best! Be in base like any other flight attendant when working. Go home on your days off. If there is an emergency the technology is there to make sure you take care of business. Be responsible with the flight attendants dues. If you do commute get a crash pad like any other commuter does. This is an expense that a regular commuter would have to pay, so why should union dues be funding it? Just because your Constitution says it is fine does not make it right. As has been shown time and time again, some leaders are picking and choosing which sections of the Constitution to follow on a given day. It is suppose to be protecting the membership not the leadership.