AFA labor discussion (Work related)

[700UW]

Mediation to Start Next Week with the NMB

 

[Onestep2flt]

And the funny thing is that you still have Mr. Flores And his sidekick sitting there at the table for you. It will be interesting to see the strategy that emerges from the election of new leadership in all bases. Will they collectively follow the will of the flight attendants and make changes in the makeup of your negotiating committee? Or, will it turn into the friends of Flores club with nothing more than a couple of e-lines stating you must show unity?

 

[Sandy Eggo]

And the funny thing is that you still have Mr. Flores And his sidekick sitting there at the table for you. It will be interesting to see the strategy that emerges from the election of new leadership in all bases. Will they collectively follow the will of the flight attendants and make changes in the makeup of your negotiating committee? Or, will it turn into the friends of Flores club with nothing more than a couple of e-lines stating you must show unity?

You know we really do get it, You don't like Mike Flores, sitting there at the table.

The last few days may have been tough but give it a rest.

Do thoughts of him constantly run through your head like a chorus from a Justin Bieber song? Sooooo annoying it just makes you want to throw a teenage girl gauntlet at the new East LEC officers.

Perhaps this will help you. It all might be a moot point anyway with the future of the AFA depending on the outcome of the United/Continental vote.

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

You know we really do get it, You don't like Mike Flores, sitting there at the table.

The last few days may have been tough but give it a rest.

Do thoughts of him constantly run through your head like a chorus from a Justin Bieber song? Sooooo annoying it just makes you want to throw a teenage girl gauntlet at the new East LEC officers.

Perhaps this will help you. It all might be a moot point anyway with the future of the AFA depending on the outcome of the United/Continental vote.

I think onestep2flt "gets it" more than the vast majority of flight attendants at US. Your probably right - it may a moot point regarding the fate of AFA with regard to the UAl/CAL vote .....if it goes anyway other direction than AFA - AFA is history.

Either way - I wouldn't want Mike and Carol sitting at the table representing me any longer than necessary. The quicker they are history- the quicker they quit selling the F/As down the Salt River.

 

[Travelpro72]

First of all, if United Airlines goes with IAM AFA is done. If that were to happen and it's very likely, AFA is gone which will have a direct effect on the flight attendants of US Airways. The flight attendants would fall under the CWA umbrella and just imagine what THAT will do for your union dues. Now, due to the fact that we have a mediator at the table now with a very aggressive timetable for negotiating in hopes of closing this piece of crap, what do you think he would do with a recall right now? It wouldn't be a positive step to remove at this time. Not because the LECP's of CLT, DCA and PHL are scared or in the pocket of Flores but due to the fact that the playing field has changed at this time. I personally don't believe the federal mediator would stand for it. He releases our behinds and you can kiss ANY kind of contract goodbye for a VERY, VERY long time. We must be quite careful at this critical juncture and methodically carry out the mission that is for the will of the membership in ALL bases. This includes our brothers and sisters of the union in our PHX base right along with our east coast bases. I hope everyone truly understands this.

 

[galley princess]

You know we really do get it, You don't like Mike Flores, sitting there at the table.

The last few days may have been tough but give it a rest.

Do thoughts of him constantly run through your head like a chorus from a Justin Bieber song? Sooooo annoying it just makes you want to throw a teenage girl gauntlet at the new East LEC officers.

Perhaps this will help you. It all might be a moot point anyway with the future of the AFA depending on the outcome of the United/Continental vote.

Actually, as loathe I am to agree with the "not that I work at US" poster, I was thinking the same thing.

The whole reason the incumbents had to go was to make clear that MF and CA also have to go. Cutting off their legs, so to speak.

I expect to see the new LECs move toward that goal. The tentative is unacceptable, that is the prevailing view. As far as US is concerned, yes, we are counting down toward CHAOS, however we wouldn't be released for that until at earliest Jan, 2012, so we have time to start solving our own problems. Having MF and CA remain at the negotiating table, assuming that negotiations return, isn't going to do anything to get us an acceptable contract. They've already got their view of what it should look like and unfortunately they are on their own island there.

Reserve and scheduling are completely wrecked. PBS wasn't something that F/As wanted, it was a CONCESSION in a bankruptcy contract. That is wasn't implemented is not our problem, and should not be a defacto part of a new contract. Despite what many say, for most middle and lower seniority f/as it presents a serious concession and downgrade in our quality of life. Working every weekend for a decent trip is NOT my idea of fun.

Reserve? There aren't words.

Separating from the pilots is still a big issue for some f/as, I'm not one of them, but I won't vote for it without quid pro quo, and THAT is seriously absent.

Compensation? How many ways can you spell INDUSTRY STANDARD?

As for the AFA/IAM choice that should be interesting. I know who I would vote for. Let's see, which union lost pensions at two major carriers and which ones didn't? That's easy.

 

[safety stud]

I find it amazing, you are fixated on whether AFA is going to be around, if MF or CA are going to negotiate for you, or the outcome of the election in PHL. This is not the time for you to worry about the "SMALL" stuff. Look to the previous post. The company starting very soon will have to negotiate in good faith with AFA under the guize of the mediation board... The ball is in your hands now... But most importantly... So is the time line...

AFA has till the end of the year to get an agreement with the company... Short time line in the big scheme of things considering they wasted 5 years at a snails pace... The mediation board will require the company to bargin in ways they didn't want to in the past...

That said... Each base should begin in earnest to form committee's to organize AFA's "CHAOS" campaign, should it become neccessary to use it. It is a great tool in getting the company to the table... All the while, you should make it public knowledge, the company has till the end of the year...

At 12:01 on Jan 1st should no CBA be reached, AFA should ask to be released to the 30 day cooling off period....

FOLKS.... This is it...

You should be getting AFA to print luggage tags in CHAOS green to go on each piece stating "CHAOS 2.1.12" Same goes with T-Shirts, And any public engagements...
Set the target date... You know what it is... Let everyone else know...

The time is now...
Stop bickering... Start orgainizing... Get unified... Become one voice...
This will determine your future...
East/West and North/South...
Each saying 'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore"

Your choice...

Just my opinion...

 

[I Was... Now US]

Hi everyone. Attached is a link of what happened when America West was organizing with AFA back in 1999. I urge you all to watch this as management is keeping an eye on this link to see how many hits it gets. Can anyone say deja vu? Get involved and get informed. The stronger we are the better off we'll be.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIoqK5jG6qo

 

[SparrowHawk]

A message from my dear friend the later great Hazel Dickens. She was a friend of the worker until the day she passed over.




The next one is the old Joe Hill song Rebel Girl. The question is who among you will pick up the sword and become the AFA's Rebel Girl.

 

[flybynite]

I think onestep2flt "gets it" more than the vast majority of flight attendants at US. Your probably right - it may a moot point regarding the fate of AFA with regard to the UAl/CAL vote .....if it goes anyway other direction than AFA - AFA is history.

Either way - I wouldn't want Mike and Carol sitting at the table representing me any longer than necessary. The quicker they are history- the quicker they quit selling the F/As down the Salt River.

Oh, bloody hell....you guys need to get on anti depressants. What the hell is wrong with you?

AFA isn't gong anywhere soon. All IAM is doing is trying to drive up their numbers. And the IAM isn't a good match for f/a's anyways.

The IAM is seeking members any way they can get them. Boo...boo...booo.

I could give a happy damn about the CAL/UA vote. That's not my company...nor yours.

If they vote IAM as their Union they will be sooooo sorry after the fact.....and then they won't be able to get out of it.

They need to stay in a union for f/a's period. But it's their choice.


IMO.

 

[flybynite]

First of all, if United Airlines goes with IAM AFA is done. If that were to happen and it's very likely, AFA is gone which will have a direct effect on the flight attendants of US Airways. The flight attendants would fall under the CWA umbrella and just imagine what THAT will do for your union dues. Now, due to the fact that we have a mediator at the table now with a very aggressive timetable for negotiating in hopes of closing this piece of crap, what do you think he would do with a recall right now? It wouldn't be a positive step to remove at this time. Not because the LECP's of CLT, DCA and PHL are scared or in the pocket of Flores but due to the fact that the playing field has changed at this time. I personally don't believe the federal mediator would stand for it. He releases our behinds and you can kiss ANY kind of contract goodbye for a VERY, VERY long time. We must be quite careful at this critical juncture and methodically carry out the mission that is for the will of the membership in ALL bases. This includes our brothers and sisters of the union in our PHX base right along with our east coast bases. I hope everyone truly understands this.

AFA would not be done you silly goose....It would be a blow, but not what you're saying.

I think you need to calm down a bit. Don't get yourself in a twist over the CWA umbrella....if there is one.

All you're dong is scaring people unnessessarily.

Maybe you need to take a rest. Just for tonight maybe. Calm down.

 

[flybynite]

Better yet, sparky, you tell me.

Well, since no one wants to touch this one with a ten foot pole....maybe I can explain without hurting anyones feelings.


It came to the attention of the LEC's via "written" word that that one LEC and MEC member had been given benifits that they were not intitled to.
This written doc was verified. It looked as though this person had taken a bribe.

Not looking good for somebody. Or anyone for that matter.

The person that bit the bullet did the right thing....Otherwise...the Union would have been in turmoil for years and we were in a delicate situation already.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Well, since no one wants to touch this one with a ten foot pole....maybe I can explain without hurting anyones feelings.


It came to the attention of the LEC's via "written" word that that one LEC and MEC member had been given benifits that they were not intitled to.
This written doc was verified. It looked as though this person had taken a bribe.

Not looking good for somebody. Or anyone for that matter.

The person that bit the bullet did the right thing....Otherwise...the Union would have been in turmoil for years and we were in a delicate situation already.

That would be "Entitled" just for the record

 

[PITbull]

You know we really do get it, You don't like Mike Flores, sitting there at the table.

The last few days may have been tough but give it a rest.

Do thoughts of him constantly run through your head like a chorus from a Justin Bieber song? Sooooo annoying it just makes you want to throw a teenage girl gauntlet at the new East LEC officers.

Perhaps this will help you. It all might be a moot point anyway with the future of the AFA depending on the outcome of the United/Continental vote.

Now that is something to seriously ponder.

 

[PITbull]

First of all, if United Airlines goes with IAM AFA is done. If that were to happen and it's very likely, AFA is gone which will have a direct effect on the flight attendants of US Airways. The flight attendants would fall under the CWA umbrella and just imagine what THAT will do for your union dues. Now, due to the fact that we have a mediator at the table now with a very aggressive timetable for negotiating in hopes of closing this piece of crap, what do you think he would do with a recall right now? It wouldn't be a positive step to remove at this time. Not because the LECP's of CLT, DCA and PHL are scared or in the pocket of Flores but due to the fact that the playing field has changed at this time. I personally don't believe the federal mediator would stand for it. He releases our behinds and you can kiss ANY kind of contract goodbye for a VERY, VERY long time. We must be quite careful at this critical juncture and methodically carry out the mission that is for the will of the membership in ALL bases. This includes our brothers and sisters of the union in our PHX base right along with our east coast bases. I hope everyone truly understands this.

I am pretty surprised to see you post this...I see that the LECs are backing down for sure.

Just as I thought would happen.

Here it goes again...