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Informational meetings in PHX regarding the Scheduling and Reserve sections of the contract. Hopefully someone can post some highlights for us.


Here are some comments on the proposed State of the Airline meeting coming up on the 28th. I smell a Rat!! A company road show or state of the Airline meeting can quickly become an attempt at negotiating which is strictly prohibited by the Railway Labor Act.


THE RAILWAY LABOR ACT
TITLE 45 - United States Code
Chapter 8 - Sections 151-188
1996 Edition
This section is referred to in sections 153, 157 of this title.
§ 152. General duties


First. Duty of carriers and employees to settle disputes
It shall be the duty of all carriers, their officers, agents, and employees to exert every reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements concerning rates of pay, rules, and working conditions, and to settle all disputes, whether arising out of the application of such agreements or otherwise, in order to avoid any interruption to commerce or to the operation of any carrier growing out of any dispute between the carrier and the employees thereof.

Ninth. Disputes as to identity of representatives; designation by Mediation Board;. secret elections
If any dispute shall arise among a carrier's employees as to who are the representatives of such employees designated and authorized in accordance with the requirements of this chapter, it shall be the duty of the Mediation Board, upon request of either party to the dispute, to investigate such dispute and to certify to both parties, in writing, within thirty days after the receipt of the invocation of its services, the name or names of the individuals or organizations that have been designated and authorized to represent the employees involved in the dispute, and certify the same to the carrier. Upon receipt of such certification the carrier shall treat with the representative so certified as the representative of the craft or class for the purposes of this chapter. In such an investigation, the Mediation Board shall be authorized to take a secret ballot of the employees involved, or to utilize any other appropriate method of ascertaining the names of their duly designated and authorized representatives in such manner as shall insure the choice of representatives by the employees without interference, influence, or coercion exercised by the carrier. In the conduct of any election for the purposes herein indicated the Board shall designate who may participate in the election and establish the rules to govern the election, or may appoint a committee of three neutral persons who after hearing shall within ten days designate the employees who may participate in the election. The Board shall have access to and have power to make copies of the books and records of the carriers to obtain and utilize such information as may be deemed necessary by it to carry out the purposes and provisions of this paragraph.

1. It is the duty of the carrier and the union to make agreements. It is the law, the Railway Labor Act says SHALL!

2. Upon receipt of such certification the carrier shall treat (deal) with the representatives so certified as the representatives of the craft or class for the purposes of this chapter. ( AFA is your certified represntative)


A lawyer familiar with RLA, when asked about the rules on the company attempting to by-pass the negotiating committee answered; “It is a fine line of distinction, but the company is allowed to communicate with employees.” “They cannot however negotiate directly with the employees.” You need to watch how they criticize or comment on negotiations and specifically if any of the answers to the questions invite a “quid pro quo” or answer back to the company from the union. If company comments seem to invite a response from the union, then the company is breaking the law. The company is snot allowed to negotiate directly with the employees of the craft and class. It is against the black letter law of the railway labor act.

Consider who they have at this meeting. Chip Mayer, the director of scheduling. This is the company’s main scheduling guy, a former pilot now firmly in the management ranks. You also have the director of in-flight, Alder. The company reads the web boards and gets emails forwarded to them. They know that TA without me-too is in trouble. What are they trying to do here? Someone needs to attend these meetings and figure out what they are up to.

Putting something out that invites a response from the union has the effect of putting out an offer and requesting acceptance or a counter. That is negotiating and it is flatly prohibited. As shown in highlights above the company can treat (deal) only with the REPRESENTATIVES SO CERTIFIED AS THE REPRESETATIVE OF THE CRAFT AND CLASS.
This means the company can only negotiate with your properly elected representatives, at the bargaining table not at a “State of the Company road show”. You have an AFA constitution that determines how your negotiating committee is staffed and the Railway Labor Act says that the company is bound by law to negotiate only with them.

You can file a complaint with the NMB outside of AFA channels so consider that it may be posisble to take an action yourself if necessary.

You can derail this thing before it gets off the ground by ensuring that everyone at the meeting understands that the company can only negotiate with your negotiating committee and that any suggestion or comments from the company that invites you to tell your union to counter their comments, “counter or respond”, can be construed as negotiating and that is strictly prohibited.

Simply standing up and stating “my negotiating committee speaks for me”; “and you are skating on thin ice we will file a claim with the NMB for a violation of Railway Labor Act Title 45 Section 152 Ninth not treating with the certified representatives.” This will put them on notice and if you raise enough of a stink they will back off. Otherwise watch for more road shows at other bases.

AFA may be attempting to sell this package to the membership and that you need to slap your reps up side the head and get it through their skulls that you don’t want the company’s scheduling offer, if that is in fact the case of the majority of Flight attendants. AFA may not be in bed with the company on this but it doesn't look like they are defending your rights and someone needs to call them on it.
 
Here's the breakdown of the number of East FAs returning from EXL furlough in November and December (by base):

PHL - 106 (seniority range April 1974 thru January 1997)
CLT - 86 (seniority range March 1977 thru February 1997)
DCA - 22 (seniority range January 1982 thru February 1997)

Total: 214

Expect these numbers to dwindle a bit in the coming weeks.
 
Here's the breakdown of the number of East FAs returning from EXL furlough in November and December (by base):

PHL - 106 (seniority range April 1974 thru January 1997)
CLT - 86 (seniority range March 1977 thru February 1997)
DCA - 22 (seniority range January 1982 thru February 1997)

Total: 214

Expect these numbers to dwindle a bit in the coming weeks.
These are the numbers from 2 weeks ago. They have been greatly reduced. Hence, Tempe having to go through those on the leave where they all come back as new hires and the announcement that new hire training will begin in a few months.
 
These are the numbers from 2 weeks ago. They have been greatly reduced. Hence, Tempe having to go through those on the leave where they all come back as new hires and the announcement that new hire training will begin in a few months.

You're correct about the VFLR folks and new hire. Last I heard (this past week) the total number of VF EXL's was down to between 205 and 210. As I said, I'm sure they'll drop more in the coming weeks. Not all of them will show up for training, not all who start training will finish, and not all who finish training will show up for work. After that and seeing how many VFLR's come back, the company will have a better idea of new hire numbers. I just can't imagine more than a handful (if that) of the VFLR's coming back.
 
You're correct about the VFLR folks and new hire. Last I heard (this past week) the total number of VF EXL's was down to between 205 and 210. As I said, I'm sure they'll drop more in the coming weeks. Not all of them will show up for training, not all who start training will finish, and not all who finish training will show up for work. After that and seeing how many VFLR's come back, the company will have a better idea of new hire numbers. I just can't imagine more than a handful (if that) of the VFLR's coming back.

I couldn't agree more. I'll be surprised if any show up for training.
 
That is a different answer. I was inquiring about VAFlygirl's statement that all new hires would do the bulk of their training in PHX and then East based new hires go to CLT only for additional aircraft training.

Either way, if we don't have a contract by February, a confusing situation to explain in a responsible manner to a potential new hire.

I really need to steer that question to our LEC. After further reflection, it occured to me that if they need a certain amount in PHX, then they should hire and train in PHX. And if they need a certain amount of f/a's on the east...then they should hire in the east and train in CLT.

And yes, it will be a bit confusing for a new hire. But not that big a deal because a contract is in the workings and everyone will be on the same pay scale once that's agreed to.

I went through that same issue when I was first hired too. I was hired by Piedmont and was going through training under the Piedmont contract. And then a few months later, everything changed under the US Airways contract. It was something of a boon too because I got a raise and my rigs changed to the same as the pilot rigs. Huge difference in pay and benefits. I was happy 🙂
 
I am hearing some really....really nasty rumors in CLT.

It's so nasty, I can't even post about it.

However, I can say this.....the person who is spouting this needs to go home and reflect on whether or not they think they are are nice person and is the fallout worth it?

They watch this board...they know I know who they are too.

All I'm really saying is.....it needs to stop. It's unhealthy. Go get a hobby.
 
I am hearing some really....really nasty rumors in CLT.

It's so nasty, I can't even post about it.

However, I can say this.....the person who is spouting this needs to go home and reflect on whether or not they think they are are nice person and is the fallout worth it?

They watch this board...they know I know who they are too.

All I'm really saying is.....it needs to stop. It's unhealthy. Go get a hobby.

yikes !
 
Geeze, I didn't realize we were back in middle school again. Bonnie Bell lip balm, anyone? Makes drinking the Kool-Aid taste better.
Ambiguity?...
 
CO Flight Crews Vote Down Agreement!

“It became clear the flight attendants prefer a complete agreement that
provides full recovery of items sacrificed in the previous round of
concessionary bargaining, such as sick leave, vacation and 401(k)
match,”
Tom Higginbotham, president of IAM District Lodge 142 at Continental, said in the statement.

Same headline will soon read USairways crews vote down another crappy contract and replace Representatives.
 
Out of curiousity, does anyone know who negotiates for CO?
I'm guessing lawyers, not F/As.

If and when the US tentative is voted down, there needs to be some serious discussion about whether US should stay AFA and CWA or entertain other possibilities. Barring that, AFA better cough up some resources for PROFESSIONAL negotiators.

NWA, UA and US --what do they all have in common?

AFA
Huge bankruptcy concessions
Lost pensions

AA
DL
CO Non AFA. ALL still have pensions.

Personally, IAM or the teamsters look pretty good.
 
Out of curiousity, does anyone know who negotiates for CO?
I'm guessing lawyers, not F/As.

If and when the US tentative is voted down, there needs to be some serious discussion about whether US should stay AFA and CWA or entertain other possibilities. Barring that, AFA better cough up some resources for PROFESSIONAL negotiators.

NWA, UA and US --what do they all have in common?

AFA
Huge bankruptcy concessions
Lost pensions

AA
DL
CO Non AFA. ALL still have pensions.

Personally, IAM or the teamsters look pretty good.



Doesn't mean a thing if all the same people hold the same positions. It is not the AFA it is the people we elect.
 
Doesn't mean a thing if all the same people hold the same positions. It is not the AFA it is the people we elect.

Speaking of which, My friend tells me that your fearless leaders have been re-elected. Only big change was your vice president will now be Mark somebody. They said that he was MEC president in PIT for a while. Wonder if that will be enough to bring about any changes for the better. I hope so for you guys cause it looks like status quo otherwise.
 

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