AFA labor discussion (Work related)

[beachboy]

I'll put 56 an hour against NO any day.
And that would be industry standard .

Hey- throw something else at it. The kitchen sink or granny's underwear. Hell that may slide it by. What would this JNC know know about industry standard? Spin Flores Spin! AH- go worry about checking the muzzle on your Reserve chair- I think you forgot to slip her this weeks AFA KoolAid pill and she chewed through her muzzle. Better get it back on fast. Run....run along Mike.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Like I said 56 an hour will trump 300 coming in at the bottom ... Anytime!

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

As usual at "Useless Airways" the short sighted vision gets all the talk. This is not the important contract it is the NEXT merger contract. You can give up the money lost but not me. Money talks and ... walks.
After spending 10 YEARS on reserve when they would call and I would go I am not clueless. You who are combatitive o on the A/C do yourselves a disservice.

 

[beachboy]

As usual at "Useless Airways" the short sighted vision gets all the talk. This is not the important contract it is the NEXT merger contract. You can give up the money lost but not me. Money talks and ... walks.
After spending 10 YEARS on reserve when they would call and I would go I am not clueless. You who are combatitive o on the A/C do yourselves a disservice.

Lets re rack that slice of wisdom as I'm sure you had a meaning somewhere. I have not had my first cup of coffee and I am stuffing sloppy wet breadcrumbs up a birds behind. You are usually good an channeling MF. Here I was going to suggest you start a new show in the Sci-Fi network. "The Mike Whisperer"- bazaar fiction from another world.-
Wait- no show for you. You can just guest appear on the BBC's Dr Who.

Now, where is that string? I have to truce this up.

 

[galley princess]

One of the reasons that we have such a horrible bankruptcy contract is that the mind that negotiated it gave up work rules and tried to preserve money.

No judgments here, there were no good choices back then. However, now is a different time. Money, while EXPECTED cannot be the over riding factor. Believe it or not there are work rules still left that matter.

IMHO, flying with the pilots doesn't matter, but the ME TOO does.

Giving up bid lines and bid sheet matter to me. Lines throw a little equalizer into scheduling. Think, with Pref Bid, by seniority everyone would bid off thanksgiving until it got to a certain number and then everyone thereafter would work thanksgiving. No SAP, no maneuvering, wham, you're done. Lines force F/As to really balance, do I want this crappy thing with Thanksgiving off or what if I fly this lovely international block and work thanksgiving. I don't want to go to Aunt Sally's anyway. Result? A more junior F/A flys the crappy block but gets thanksgiving off.

A simplistic example, but illustrative. PBS will primarily benefit the mega senior. The junior blockholder is looking at a life working weekends and holidays. The junior blockholder has 25 years.

Three hundred new reserves sounds wonderful, but it's not enough. Demographically, we still have another ten years with the youngest baby boomer, who is about 53, I think. And that's optimistic. Reserve has to be fixed. The senior are going to be here for the next contract as well. Reserve needs to be fixed NOW, so the next contract can really be about money. The most junior reserve has a good ten years at least before being a blockholder unless there is incredible growth. (Knowing AWA, don't hold your breath.) Then, with PBS, instead of being on call every weekend and holiday, they'll just fly every weekend and holiday as a junior blockholder.

I believe in seniority, however the system doesn't have to stack the deck quite so fiercely. What we have now is more merciful than that, and it's untenable.

The T/A must be viewed through the prism of being a total compensation package. Scheduling, "when it goes wrong" protections, sick pay, they all are just as important as the final dollar number of compensation.

 

[USCREW]

Who is offering 56/hr? Has the union posted info anywhere?

 

[Career Reserve]

IMHO, flying with the pilots doesn't matter, but the ME TOO does.

Giving up bid lines and bid sheet matter to me. Lines throw a little equalizer into scheduling. Think, with Pref Bid, by seniority everyone would bid off thanksgiving until it got to a certain number and then everyone thereafter would work thanksgiving. No SAP, no maneuvering, wham, you're done. Lines force F/As to really balance, do I want this crappy thing with Thanksgiving off or what if I fly this lovely international block and work thanksgiving. I don't want to go to Aunt Sally's anyway. Result? A more junior F/A flys the crappy block but gets thanksgiving off.

A simplistic example, but illustrative. PBS will primarily benefit the mega senior. The junior blockholder is looking at a life working weekends and holidays. The junior blockholder has 25 years.

I believe in seniority, however the system doesn't have to stack the deck quite so fiercely. What we have now is more merciful than that, and it's untenable.

The T/A must be viewed through the prism of being a total compensation package. Scheduling, "when it goes wrong" protections, sick pay, they all are just as important as the final dollar number of compensation.

Two things,

1. If Pref bidding isn't good enough for the pilots, than it's not good enough for me either.

2. Pay straight time & half or double time for holidays instead of this convoluted formula and there will never be another holiday shortage. Management keeps giving themselves bonuses and here we are trying to give each other "100 kisses" to get a holiday off? Hello? Obviously there is money to be had....they just want to keep it for themselves.

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

As usual at "Useless Airways" the short sighted vision gets all the talk. This is not the important contract it is the NEXT merger contract. You can give up the money lost but not me. Money talks and ... walks.
After spending 10 YEARS on reserve when they would call and I would go I am not clueless. You who are combatitive o on the A/C do yourselves a disservice.

And people still wonder how the last POS BK contract ever passed? Here is a fine example of WHO would vote FOR. Ten years on RSV bless your heart..... When you've done 16 then you can complain. Want to sit RSV a whole lot longer or even furloughed? PBS will see to that. Your willing to go for the cash - but can't figure out how you got hosed "the next contract" when the surviving carrier informs you are going at the bottom of the new list How can they do that? Ask the US/MDA pilots. Because you and the 300 just hired were all furloughed due to PBS. Sorry you were'nt active at the time of merger. Vote for this contract ( with the language that has been already posted) You can always get back money - you never get back work rules - especially from a company that seeks to violate them every day.

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

Happy Thanksgiving !!!!! Remember to bring along your contract on your next trip - the company is short another holiday - imagine that? Hope everyone has a great day!!!

 

[MyrnaMinkoff]

Gee, what a wind bag. So you're all for senority! Glad to hear it.

Oh, good. I was getting concerned! I see that you're posting again (much to my relief...thank God you're okay). You and I have some unfinished business. Remember? You asked me all of those smarmy questions about what an "ideal reserve" system would look like--I replied to all of them, but instead of answering my single question, that is, what, specifically, about the reserves' demand for seniority do you find objectionable, you dismissed me as a windbag, then disappeared. I'm still waiting. By the way, I've missed you. Don't make me worry like that again!

 

[Travelpro72]

Be careful you should be ashamed of yourself. You are underestimating your fellow workers by far. NEVER has this group voted on a contract after going through 9/11, two BK's and a recession. You are mistaken if you think $56.00 an hour is 'industry standart'. Why don't you attach the work rules to your fabled hourly amount. It's not nearly enough for the middle to lower blockholders and reserves to endure. You have turned such a sad side here on aviation. Unreal. 🙄

 

[USCREW]

Be careful you should be ashamed of yourself. You are underestimating your fellow workers by far. NEVER has this group voted on a contract after going through 9/11, two BK's and a recession. You are mistaken if you think $56.00 an hour is 'industry standart'. Why don't you attach the work rules to your fabled hourly amount. It's not nearly enough for the middle to lower blockholders and reserves to endure. You have turned such a sad side here on aviation. Unreal. 🙄

Where can I find any of these proposals? Not on the AFA website?

 

[VAflyGal]

Are you guys smoking crack or are you just randomly pulling numbers out of a hat? $56 an hour?! Who's dropping acid here?
I'm SOOOOO sick of the incessant middle fingers we are getting from our AFA and some of our fellow coworkers who don't give a $#it about anyone but themselves. So disheartened. Just about over it.

 

[beachboy]

Yes those. The ones I would never ask to sit this new system.

 

[Snickers]

Songbirdstew your posting has no merit especially since you are a PHL f/a.