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I have to agree with you there. I understand why it becomes a talking point because this person is the new union leader in Charlotte. However, whoever started this newsflash would have to have access to someones files to know. As I understand it per your MEC president that information like this is no longer viewable in the company computer system. I was told if there are remarks it will only say something like not available. I would think that could mean a whole host of things including as suggested union business.

I think some of you are just so used to unethical practices with your union leadership you just automatically assume this must be the case here. I don't know. I think in this case I would be wondering why some of your union leaders were not at any of the rallies like Travelpro pointed out. I am sure a lot of people that would have liked to show up had to work. However, I would certainly think that union folks have a legitimate reason to be off for union business that day. Was Miss Austin there or was she busy flying a trip? I don't know the answer so my curiosity is as high as the next person.


She doesn't fly. Hasn't in years. Light years even, and yes, she was there.

We're taking back our union, one imbecile at a time - chipping away at the ambivalence with perseverance, patience, and passion. Pull up a chair. March is going to be an AFA sweep here at US.
 
She doesn't fly. Hasn't in years. Light years even, and yes, she was there.

We're taking back our union, one imbecile at a time - chipping away at the ambivalence with perseverance, patience, and passion. Pull up a chair. March is going to be an AFA sweep here at US.

Guys I tell ya Carol was at the rally. My friend saw her although she only interacted with the people she deemed of credited seniority. The last time someone questioned her "flying" she flew into a rage and made a fool of herself at the meeting. He posed the question and she went off about collecting garbage in a bag. You thought she would stroke out. It was surreal.
The wave will come. Some reps want to go down in a blaze of fire and cost us as much as possible. The final middle finger to us as a whole. Others think they are running to win again, when really they don't have a shot in hell. Same ones being recalled. It's just mind boggling.
 
Guys I tell ya Carol was at the rally. My friend saw her although she only interacted with the people she deemed of credited seniority. The last time someone questioned her "flying" she flew into a rage and made a fool of herself at the meeting. He posed the question and she went off about collecting garbage in a bag. You thought she would stroke out. It was surreal.
The wave will come. Some reps want to go down in a blaze of fire and cost us as much as possible. The final middle finger to us as a whole. Others think they are running to win again, when really they don't have a shot in hell. Same ones being recalled. It's just mind boggling.

LOL yeah, that meeting.... filled with professionalism with Grace screaming at everyone. Funny you mentioned the rage. I've never seen someone jump out of her seat so fast and shake the fist in the air. I mean who's side are we all on? It will be a refreshing breath when we have reps who are supportive of the entire flying population, regardless of seniority. We all pick up trash. We all can operate an AED and save a life.

I've been off this site for awhile because some of the drama was getting to be too much for my spirit. I am empowered by the show of solidarity among the rank and file at last week's day of action, and from the WALK OUT at the crew news session by our PHX f/a's last week. GOOD FOR YOU!!!!

Keep the faith. Stay the course. Good things are around the corner.
 
In my experience speaking with union reps, most of the time they cite what a nonstop job it is, and how flying ends up being easier after filling a rep position.

I buy that. I have no doubt that the job is a big PIA, so I usually don't carp when they get a few perks. I don't want the job, so there have to be some upsides to doing it.

Having said that, it cannot be the haven of people who just don't want to FLY anymore. They represent FLYING f/as. It is incompatible to not want to do the job that you represent.

I also know, and everyone else who flys knows, that we work with a minority of train wrecks and THEY are who union reps talk to and interact with the most, because they're the ones who need representation. Some of them are idiots, some have just gotten in over their heads, some got sick and never got their life back together, some. . . You get the picture. We have reps that painstakingly and compassionately help these people, and we should value them.

What is highly offensive is when a f/a with a stellar work record approaches the union about being jerked around and is greeted with the cynicism and put upon attitude that can be acquired by union reps. If that's where you are, GET THE HELL OUT OF THE OFFICE.

But what is also offensive is intellectual laziness. After the bankruptcy contract was implemented, f/as woke up to what they really agreed to, and of course, it wasn't pretty. Holding local union offices responsible for LTO is not realistic or acceptable. Nor is the fact that you have 20 yrs and are still on reserve. All the union can do is fight specfic violations of an abysmal contract. There are no solutions within that agreement.

Where this union took a left turn is that their cynicism took over. They began submitting to a certain outlook and refused to consider other views, worse still, they allowed one viewpoint to prevail as they negotiated. The worst sin they committed however (IMHO) is that they refused to listen to their membership, and worse, they abandoned key parts of our agreement without having the authority to do so! Who said we wanted PBS? Where's the survey? Who said we wanted a CSD program? Where's the return concession on the company's part for that? Who said to come down to below industry standard pay rate?

So, in the final analysis, we want them out not because they aren't intelligent, dedicated or decent human beings, but because they have FAILED. The documentation is there. That tentative is a FAILURE. They can give every reason in the book as to why. It doesn't matter. It's over, they had five years. We don't h. ave to accept their failure just because that was the best they could do.

Now, if anyone knows the nuts and bolts of what we can do to undo their mess, I would love to hear it.


Yup, I do know what to do, and it's being done all around you....its starts with the local reps being removed ;either recalled, or voted out. And that is what's happening. The flight attendants collectively have had enough. Just like you. And they are very organized now, system wide. Once the current local reps across the board are replaced, than you can get to the MEC level and take each and every single one out of office. Don't need a reason or explanation. The new reps will pull the MEC out starting with the Executive Board and then the MEC Grievance Chair that positively needs to go.

Then lastly, you will need a new AFA attorney for the f/as as well as a replacement of the negotiating team.

I am citing only what I see is happening at this very moment...and its amazing and proudful to watch as an ex member for the MEC.

Great Job my hats off to the flight attendants across all bases! Management is getting the message as well as the MEC!

Give them major hell...its about time!
 
I heard Cathy had another f/a taken off their trip for wearing a seat belt extension just last week, again. The way I heard it was she had another f/a call the company for her but it came out that she was behind it anyway. Pretty sneaky if you ask me.

With a union rep like that, who needs enemies.
 
Who cares ppl! I would do the same. Ya either fit into the seat or you don't. Why am I shoved off my seat not able to take by brace position? So I what cover for you? Screw it! If she did good the hell for her. Sick of this ####. Too big to take a jump seat I can't cover for you. Get help. To the rest of the enablers SHUT UP!!!
 
I heard Cathy had another f/a taken off their trip for wearing a seat belt extension just last week, again. The way I heard it was she had another f/a call the company for her but it came out that she was behind it anyway. Pretty sneaky if you ask me.

With a union rep like that, who needs enemies.

I know the board is filled with unsubstantiated rumors, but is this one really necessary. I get the fact that you feel it is not this persons place to be the enforcer. However, even if this is a rumor that turns out to be true it does not make the rule any less valid. I think it would be an uncomfortable state to be in all the way around. How would you handle it? An otherwise very nice, hard working employee that is a safety hazard to their fellow employee. It is a very tough position to be in for sure. Do you just ignore it because they are nice? Do you discuss it with them personally? Do you "turn them in"? Most would probably ignore the issue. Problem is you do no favor to the next crewmembers. The thing is your company should be more hands on in situations like this.

I think this is one thing that your company and union need to come up with some type workable solution. There needs to be some sort of mechanism in place to deal with situations like this. You can't just ignore something that may affect the safety of someone else.

That being said, it appears to be one more distraction that is brought up to try to take your eyes off the prize. That is to put yourselves in a position to achieve a fair livable contract for all flight attendants. In this case, I am not sure what bringing such a sensitive issue that may or may not of happened helps your cause.
 
I heard Cathy had another f/a taken off their trip for wearing a seat belt extension just last week, again. The way I heard it was she had another f/a call the company for her but it came out that she was behind it anyway. Pretty sneaky if you ask me.

With a union rep like that, who needs enemies.
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Ann or supporter, Get over it and move on. The membership has spoken and now its time to give our new leader a chance. The jury is out as is always the case when you have a change in leadership but we need to support the new leadership until they prove incapable of making the right decisions. Dont undermine the new administration on a message board like this. Our base is close to becoming to being the largest base on the east. If the previous administration would have liistened to their members instead of protecting a certain individual in the mec they may have prevailed in the re run of the election. Guess we will never know. You see the protection is a one way street. Many people have put their neck on the line for MF and he has thrown them under the bus when they no longer could help him. AC just happens to be one of those victims. We will just have to wait to see if our new leader will stand up or bow down to threats and promises. For the time being, I will give my full support to our new leadership until she has got her feet wet in her new position. Hopefullly she will make some good decisions. IMHO I think its unfortunate they didnt hold a re run for alll offices in clt.
 
Just call the union office or one of the supervisors and ask. I don't have to smear her. She does a fine job all by herself.
And if the union office or the company released this information someone would be getting rich as it is a violation of federal laws.

And like I said, where is your proof? Your the one who posted it so back it up.
 
I heard Cathy had another f/a taken off their trip for wearing a seat belt extension just last week, again. The way I heard it was she had another f/a call the company for her but it came out that she was behind it anyway. Pretty sneaky if you ask me."

It sounds like the other FA is second guessing her decision to call and report another FA. It also sounds like second, third, fourth hand news.

/shrug

Just MHO
 
Yup, I do know what to do, and it's being done all around you....its starts with the local reps being removed ;either recalled, or voted out. And that is what's happening. The flight attendants collectively have had enough. Just like you. And they are very organized now, system wide. Once the current local reps across the board are replaced, than you can get to the MEC level and take each and every single one out of office. Don't need a reason or explanation. The new reps will pull the MEC out starting with the Executive Board and then the MEC Grievance Chair that positively needs to go.

Then lastly, you will need a new AFA attorney for the f/as as well as a replacement of the negotiating team.

I am citing only what I see is happening at this very moment...and its amazing and proudful to watch as an ex member for the MEC.

Great Job my hats off to the flight attendants across all bases! Management is getting the message as well as the MEC!

Give them major hell...its about time!


Okay, so if it all happens, we throw the bums out, get a new attorney, get a new negotiating team---------all hugely necessary IMHO, how hard/ easy is it to re-open the offending sections? Obviously, it's about negotiating, but we're not naive, the company isn't going to want to re-do some of this mess.

At the same time, so what? All they can do is NOT negotiate in good faith. Hmm that sounds familiar. Just slidin' on down to Section six and CHAOS.
 
Flyby,
You sure have your finger on the pulse of dead horse! Give it up girl. Nobody likes these outbursts of yours and they really aren't flattering for you.
I agree with 700. You don't have proof, only innuendo. Bad innuendo at that.
Stop spreading rumors and get back in shape, the carts are pretty heavy these days with all the vending machine products onboard. Pass the word on to the MEC as well.
 
How about this.... No further discussion about the rumor unless someone can back it up with cold, hard proof. ENOUGH! ! ! !
 

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