Fleet Service apathy

[ChockJockey]

Yet he refuses to look in the mirror and accept responsibility that all those who voted for the raise screwed their coworkers at the smaller stations.

Your self-righteousness is really tiring 700. I didn't vote for a raise, I voted for pay parity, which I now have. Wanting equal pay for equal work, I guess that makes me a real jerk. You know what? I don't feel guilty about it at all. Tell me that I should have been perfectly willing, nay, happy to have gone on two, three, four years - at $9.25/hr turning mainline flights and I'll shut up about it. I didn't even have as many years as Jester or the other AWA old-timers and wasn't standing to get a fat raise, I just wanted to get a raise of some kind within the first three years of my employment. Tell me that's the sacrifice I should have made as a "union brother", working indefinitely at sh*t-tier wages while the negotiating team went back again and again to find something that would have satisfied the unsatisfiable (East) and you will never hear me defend my vote again. Tell me exactly that.

You're mad not because the Yes-voters threw anyone under the bus, you're mad because they're the ones that didn't get thrown. Just another blustering union bureaucrat that's got it all figured out, the self-appointed knower of what's best for everyone. I think the best part about you being retired is that I can work with the comfort of knowing I don't wear the uniform as you.

Toodles.

 

[Jester]

Jester bzzzzzz.... bzzzzz.... bzzzzzzz..... he deflects..... bzzzzzzzz.... bzzzzzz....nothing to do.... bzzzzz... bzzzzz... bzzzzz... look in the mirror..... bzzzzzzz.... bzzzzzz....
screwed bzzzzz....bzzzzzz.... bzzzzz....."

Is that annoying interloping pest speaking about me? I guess he didn't get my memo that I just ignore him or I would use bug spray if he was closer.


Ograc,

Let's examine your quote, "Apathy among the members, is one of the root causes, of where we are today. It leads to ineffective leadership and subsequently ineffective negotiating committees."

Again, with all due respect, you blame the Membership for causing the Leadership to be weak! Seriously, I don't know why the Membership bothers with ANYONE in the IAM "Leadership" if you are going to tell me that it is the Membership's fault for the lack of moxie within those running for office! I guess we need so-called "Leaders" to sign our surrender papers to the Management?

Let's do some basic semantics? "Leaders" lead... Leaders are not about waiting for some encouragement from its subordinates to praise, to encourage or to cajole those in charge to act and to moviate. If someone who is running for any of the elected positions within the IAM organization do not understand this very basic concept, then they should do the right thing and withdraw immediately from consideration and save the Membership from further embarassment and disappointment.

So Recommends Jester.

 

[IAM Informer]

If you haven't noticed, this has absolutely nothing to do with Nelson here!!!! Can you explain to me and the rest of us what exactly you are happy with in our situation right now and in the last few years, because I'd like to know the flavor of your kool-aid so I can stay far far away from it!!!!

Give us the details of your happiness here, please, cause I'm having a real hard time finding anything to be happy about!!! So let's here it!!!!

Jimmy your wasting your time with Bluto, actually he is a good example of your dues money being wasted. District Communicators getting paid to
sit on message boards and bash a former friend of 20 plus years because he (TN) wasn't a bought man and that frustrates Bluto casue the
district uses him like a 2 bit w**re and he's afraid that he will be back in knee pads in the near future

 

[BLUTO]

If you haven't noticed, this has absolutely nothing to do with Nelson here!!!! Can you explain to me and the rest of us what exactly you are happy with in our situation right now and in the last few years, because I'd like to know the flavor of your kool-aid so I can stay far far away from it!!!!

Give us the details of your happiness here, please, cause I'm having a real hard time finding anything to be happy about!!! So let's here it!!!!

nelson did not get th memo
he is 60% of posts hear if you
add all his othe identitys

Jester just feels guilty cause he voted for the money and he threw his fellow brothers and sisters under the bus who got outsourced.

So he deflects and talks about HA who has nothing to do with US and blames RD for it all.

Yet he refuses to look in the mirror and accept responsibility that all those who voted for the raise screwed their coworkers at the smaller stations.

pointd hat dude is drunk on nelsen kooaid
neslon spike wth stupidity!

Jimmy your wasting your time with Bluto, actually he is a good example of your dues money being wasted. District Communicators getting paid to
sit on message boards and bash a former friend of 20 plus years because he (TN) wasn't a bought man and that frustrates Bluto casue the
district uses him like a 2 bit w**re and he's afraid that he will be back in knee pads in the near future

i can be whatever you want me to be
paranoind is wht you are
why are you so afraid of DL?
do you have somthing to hide?

 

[ChockJockey]

pointd hat dude is drunk on nelsen kooaid
neslon spike wth stupidity!

Damn son. Is your keyboard in front of you when you type or do you just throw oranges at it from across the room when you got something to say?

 

[wings396]

Ograc,

Respectfully, you demonstrate no leadership with that post, and I question your abilities in an executive position. "Passing the Buck" and blaming the Membership for a vote on a T.A. which was approved by the Negotiating Team is a complete cop-out. I will repeat myself in what I have said on this forum for years now... One of the advantages of a union is that it allows experts to advise the Membership on legal and financial matters, where it would be impractical for an individual worker to do so on their own. You have basicially said that the Leadership punts its obligations and blames the Membership who are not the experts on such matters. Shameful.

You claim it is a "tall order" for the Negotiating Committee to reject further contracting of stations, as if you have already surrendered to Management on the matter and a gumbling whimper would be as much protest as you are willing to offer. How do you know, as you are not on the Negotiating Committee? Memberships begin to suffer from Tentative Agreement fatigue and the uncertainty of working without a contract, and vote "Yes" time goes on. The Membership assumes that the Negotiating Committee have honestly placed not only a good faith professional effort, but believe it is the best they can do, especially when the phrase "last, best final offer" are being flung around as a warning from a trusted advisor. Are you suggesting that our Negotiating Committee are a bunch of lazy, uneducated, untrustworthy sycophants who are willing to declare victory upon the passage of a T.A., regardless if it is very suspect agreement and blame the Membership in the process?

Ograc, you may be a very well-meaning and decent enough person, but your ideas of the union Leadership's responsibilities and quickness to assign blame to the Membership is a very dark, depressing vision of our future.

So Evaluates Jester.

Well said, I'm with you all the way on this one. Sorry to say, but most in a leadership role view this subject just as he does. Not gonna win any votes like that.
No more business as usual with the IAM elected officials.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

nelson did not get th memo
he is 60% of posts hear if you
add all his othe identitys

Well, there wasn't one thing in that response about anything you can claim to be happy about!!!

I didn't ask you about Nelson, I asked you to give me some examples of things that have happened or are happening that you are satisfied with, but seems you can't think of any either, or you would surly tell us!!!!

 

[ograc]

Well said, I'm with you all the way on this one. Sorry to say, but most in a leadership role view this subject just as he does. Not gonna win any votes like that.
No more business as usual with the IAM elected officials.

wings396,

I am certainly not letting the current or past leadership teams off the hook when it comes down to assigning blame for the state of affairs we find ourselves in. Decisions to negotiate TAs instead of contracts is never, in the long term, in the best interest of the membership. Loosely written contract language does not serve the membership as well. Subsequently, it cannot be enforced and even if it could there is no agreed to remedial action in the contract if there is a violation. Poor performance of elected AGCs is not the fault of the membership. These issues cetainly do need to be addressed. It is why I chose to run. I don't propose to have all the answers but what I can promise is a genuine effort to faithfully perform my duties and responsibilities if elected. IMO... in order to correct problems, and we have many, you need to first truly identify what they are.

ograc

 

[wings396]

In all honesty, what's the chances of you or anyone else reversing the damage that has already been done? I have yet to hear anyone's attempt to get back lost work, or anything that fleet has lost at all.

 

[ograc]

In all honesty, what's the chances of you or anyone else reversing the damage that has already been done? I have yet to hear anyone's attempt to get back lost work, or anything that fleet has lost at all.

wings396,
In all honesty, "I" cannot reverse the damage already done. If other candidates want to proclaim this so be it. What I believe is that we, as a solidified membership, must first "dig in our heels" and take the position this concessionary trend must cease. Only then can we expect to regain what has been lost. IMO... this can only be accomplished by a leadership team who has the full support of the members they represent.The leadership team elected cannot accomplish this agenda without an engaged and solidified membership. Likewise, the membership cannot expect the current trend to reverse, without fully supporting their elected leadership team in contract negotiations. Both must go hand in hand if we expect effective and productive contract negotiations. IMO... If we want the concessionary trend to end it must be on a united front from both. If we can accomplish this I am confident we can reverse some of the previous damage and losses.

ograc

 

[IAM Informer]

i can be whatever you want me to be
paranoind is wht you are
why are you so afraid of DL?
do you have somthing to hide?

Dave who said anything about DL only you and TN would know who I was talking about.
give it a rest

 

[IAM Informer]

wings396,

I am certainly not letting the current or past leadership teams off the hook when it comes down to assigning blame for the state of affairs we find ourselves in. Decisions to negotiate TAs instead of contracts is never, in the long term, in the best interest of the membership. Loosely written contract language does not serve the membership as well. Subsequently, it cannot be enforced and even if it could there is no agreed to remedial action in the contract if there is a violation. Poor performance of elected AGCs is not the fault of the membership. These issues cetainly do need to be addressed. It is why I chose to run. I don't propose to have all the answers but what I can promise is a genuine effort to faithfully perform my duties and responsibilities if elected. IMO... in order to correct problems, and we have many, you need to first truly identify what they are.

ograc

couldn't agree with you more great post 🙂

 

[roabilly]

Damn son. Is your keyboard in front of you when you type or do you just throw oranges at it from across the room when you got something to say?

If I were a betting man… Bluto is another of Tim’s characters designed to cast further doubt on the 141 Leadership. That is why he and informer always reference him as someone at the district.

It’s crap like this that pisses me off… if deception like this is used in campaigning… what type of sinister ploys would be used once elected and in power?

On a further note, does anyone have the lowdown on the Occupy guys that screwed-up their nomination paperwork? Are they eligible to continue with the process? Does this now mean we now have four occupy candidates out of the picture for serving the Membership?

 

[roabilly]

Well boys and Girls...

I got what everyone has been talking about... the TWU/US Fleet "Term Sheet"!

Read over it, and render your opinions... I have only read a few comments from the TWU Members @ the AA threads... and they said it was a 7% pay reduction, but better than going to the judge...

Tell us what you think... read it here by clicking THIS LINK!

 

[ChockJockey]

I have only read a few comments from the TWU Members @ the AA threads... and they said it was a 7% pay reduction, but better than going to the judge...

What are they basing that on? There aren't any compensation figures in the term sheet...