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The Bagfather

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If you don’t think staffing of a station inside and outside with vender and express vs mainline doesn’t play a large roll in station budgeting and management decision-making process you better think again. Unions have fought very hard to kept stations from being express and outsource.This is a major issue management always brings up in negations

The fact that RJs are not counted in the flight total [in any way whatsoever] reveals
a blatent desire to outsource.
 

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You guys need to wake up... we are not the priority in this operation. In case you missed the other threads within this board, the pilots are in an Uncivil War and that's where most merger candidates and investors get nervous. Not to mention it affects the flight attendents in their inability to combine workforces as their schedules revolve around the pilots schedules. And let's not even get into the mechanics, although they are much closer to our situation than the pilots.

I am sure that Parker could just as well continue separate operations for as long as possible with the ramp agents and mechanics. It has worked so far, right? What do you think outsourcing to be? It is contractors doing the work, and isn't that a separate work force controlled by an entirely different company? All airlines do it in various capacities. Frankly, customers don't care either as the public face of the company says, "US Airways" from its website to its liveries to its ticket jackets.

You guys are looking to pull the string, when your only option is to push the string.

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No one said anything about priority. The priority is the airline as a whole. Yes I have read the boards and yes I do know the wars going on with everyone else. BUT, I don't care about them. WE can only worry about ourselves, so relax and grab an empty tug and go help some of ur ramp brothers on another gate if you have time. It will work itself out in the end. The only problem I see is when will the end come? It's not up to us, it's up to DPs' little brother "AL"
 
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The West contract allows $50/$80 for part/full time. One problem though. Has anyone used their allotment for 2008 yet? No? That's because the Company delayed the new uniforms. US doesnt' have an agreement with Lion or Amarak (or whatever the new one is) yet. At least that's what I've been able to figure so far.
 

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Thanks for the interesting report. Hang in there, the industry is moving past US AIRWAYS. Your company has 'issues' unless it settles with fleet service and ALL the Labor groups on the property. The investors will experience 'great pain', 'minimal stock gain', and be left out of industry consolidation if management doesn't resolve the terrible injustices on the masses.

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The investors will experience 'great pain', 'minimal stock gain', and be left out of industry consolidation if management doesn't resolve the terrible injustices on the masses.


Well the stock is at a new low since bankruptcy making the idea of a buyout all the more real. Right now the work rules favor management, sure they would like to get a contract done, but they also realize that any contract will be short term as consolidation will be around the corner either way. Does it make a merger easier without labor strife, of course it does, but has that ever stopped management in the past? Of course it has not, and it will not stop them in the future, it will only limit some of their options.

The great pain the investor's felt was watching this stock plummet the last few months, at this point it is practically toilet paper based on where it was once valued.
 

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Well the stock is at a new low since bankruptcy making the idea of a buyout all the more real. Right now the work rules favor management, sure they would like to get a contract done, but they also realize that any contract will be short term as consolidation will be around the corner either way. Does it make a merger easier without labor strife, of course it does, but has that ever stopped management in the past? Of course it has not, and it will not stop them in the future, it will only limit some of their options.

The great pain the investor's felt was watching this stock plummet the last few months, at this point it is practically toilet paper based on where it was once valued.
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Parker wants agreements signed, but why does he want the fleet held hostage untill 2012?
What he doesn't realize, fleet doesn't buy the crap story anymore. Four new VP's in the last month,
new parachutes for the exec's, oil 100.00 my axx, it's hedged . Fleet will not except anything
less than and industry standard contract or one that matches UA fleet as far as money and vac.
If "cheap suites" thinks anything less, looks like himself and Big AL will be spending allot of time together.
IMO " cheap suites" is negotiating as a ua board member and not a district chairman. Great pain
will be cast down from the masses in June, maybe only 13 years too late
 

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BOTTOM LINE
Parker wants agreements signed, but why does he want the fleet held hostage untill 2012?
What he doesn't realize, fleet doesn't buy the crap story anymore. Four new VP's in the last month,
new parachutes for the exec's, oil 100.00 my axx, it's hedged . Fleet will not except anything
less than and industry standard contract or one that matches UA fleet as far as money and vac.
If "cheap suites" thinks anything less, looks like himself and Big AL will be spending allot of time together.
IMO " cheap suites" is negotiating as a ua board member and not a district chairman. Great pain
will be cast down from the masses in June, maybe only 13 years too late
Management is learning a terrible lesson on how to deal with labor. Until it signs industry standard contracts, its investors will continue to experience 'great pain' with a deflated stock price. Even regardless of mergers, the company has to transition.

As Wall Street analyst say, "They still have not been able to get the unions to agree on meshing seniority lists. They're still being run separately, and that's the big, overhanging problem right now from Wall Street's perspective," said analyst Derchin.

The company has now put itself in a desperate position and the leverage and time is with the unions. $1 billion net bucks in profit over the past 2 years, second best balance sheet in the industry yet the stock is at 'piss clam' prices. Wall street acknowledges this problam as a labor problem.
Now regarding our contract. Although the COC language was meaningless when the company got a half dozen investors to invest in it while in bankruptcy, it is very significant in an actual merger. Further, the COC arbitration case has the companies definition of the COC language which backed the company into a corner in explicitly defining the COC language as language relevant to airline mergers.

The company is coming back to negotiate. The investors will send Hemmingway back with a better proposal. This may have to happen 4-6 times until they get it right but it will happen because it has to for the company to move forward.

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Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman 1487, Chicago
 

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Heard some disturbing news today seems that PHL might have a problem with the lead GCM. Seems he was seen being to close and chumy with PF following him around and being really cozy with Canale while on the recent visit to PHX (this network is great we have eyes everywhere!). Could the man be getting his 30 pieces of silver? Could it be there is a Judas goat leading PHL into oblivion again? IMO PF and Canale are not friends of Fleet Service they have betrayed PHL and Fleet Service before and will do it again. If the Lead GCM is sucking up and selling out he might end up like his past GCM outta his postion and losing all of his creadabilty and friends. What will BB response be?
 

orioleman

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Yes the language is very vague..but passenger demand and revenue determine the number of flight schedules to destinations. Company is not going to take away flights because of fleet service contracts.


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just ask anybody that worked in myr .. there load factor was always over 70% .. because of the high demand of the golfing community

and usair pulled the plug on them as soon as the could . put in rj and then slowly bring back jets. however still lost f/s jobs.

knowing from experience the COMPANY will CLOSE those cities no matter what the load factor is .. !!!!!
 

Tim Nelson

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Heard some disturbing news today seems that PHL might have a problem with the lead GCM. Seems he was seen being to close and chumy with PF following him around and being really cozy with Canale while on the recent visit to PHX (this network is great we have eyes everywhere!). Could the man be getting his 30 pieces of silver? Could it be there is a Judas goat leading PHL into oblivion again? IMO PF and Canale are not friends of Fleet Service they have betrayed PHL and Fleet Service before and will do it again. If the Lead GCM is sucking up and selling out he might end up like his past GCM outta his postion and losing all of his creadabilty and friends. What will BB response be?
GS has been supportive to the network. I think your post is in bigtime error. That's all I can say about this matter as some things got to play out.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
 
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