IAM Fleet Service thread 8/20-8/31

[redeye]

The Messenger is also the official manner for notification for elections etc per the DOL.

Per the IAM Constitution:
Article XXII, page 85

4 Where elections are held by secret ballot vote of
5 L.L. members, not less than 60 days prior to the
6 time when the elections are to be held, notice of the
7 time and place, of both the nominations and election,
8 together with an application for an absentee ballot,
9 shall by letter or by authorized publication
10 or by other dependable regularly used means of
11 communication, be mailed to each member
12 eligible to vote at his/her last known home address.
13 The notice must specify who is entitled to receive an
14 absentee ballot.


Don't mislead these people, the Messenger is not required by the DOL.

 

[700UW]

Guess you need to read line 9 again:

9 shall by letter or by authorized publication

And those guidelines are from the DOL Circular governing union elections, how many elections have you been in charge of?

I have been in charge of numerous elections when I was the Recording Secretary.

 

[cltrat]

Guess you need to read line 9 again:



And those guidelines are from the DOL Circular governing union elections, how many elections have you been in charge of?

I have been in charge of numerous elections when I was the Recording Secretary.

Whack! Whack! Whack!

 

[redeye]

Guess you need to read line 9 again:



And those guidelines are from the DOL Circular governing union elections, how many elections have you been in charge of?

I have been in charge of numerous elections when I was the Recording Secretary.

Per the DOL OLMS web page.

http://www.dol.gov/esa/olms/regs/complianc...calelec.htm#ch2

Chapter 2: Nomination Notice

For some election officials preparing a notice of nominations is the first step in the election process. Since federal law requires that unions give members a reasonable opportunity to nominate candidates of their choice, election officials must provide a timely notice of nominations to all members, even if the union's constitution and by laws indicate that nominations will occur in a predetermined month. Although the law does not define what constitutes reasonable notice of nominations, U.S. Department of Labor regulations require that the nomination notice be given in a manner reasonably calculated to reach all members in good standing. In some cases election officials may have to make a special effort to notify members, but in most unions it is a relatively easy task to make sure that all members know about nominations and have an opportunity to participate.


Requirements

* The nomination notice should specify the offices to be filled in the election (and identify any offices for which the officer is a delegate by virtue of election to office). It should also include the date, time, place, and method for submitting nominations (by mail, petition, or orally at a meeting including details such as whether a nomination must be seconded, number of signatures required on a petition, etc.). See Figure 3 - Nomination Notice.


* A number of methods may be used for giving notice of nominations including: mailing a notice to the last known home address of each member, timely publishing a notice in the union's newspaper, posting or distributing a notice at the work site(s), or other methods reasonably calculated to inform all members in good standing.

A union may mail a combined notice of both nominations and election if it gives members a reasonable time to nominate candidates and also meets all the requirements for election notices. See Figure 8 - Nomination and Election Notice.



Again, don't mislead the people looking for acurate information. There are many other options besides a publication to meet the DOL requirements. You are not giving all the information, just what suits your opinion.

Touting your credentials does not mean you're right!

 

[Hadenough]

Per the IAM Constitution:
Article XXII, page 85

4 Where elections are held by secret ballot vote of
5 L.L. members, not less than 60 days prior to the
6 time when the elections are to be held, notice of the
7 time and place, of both the nominations and election,
8 together with an application for an absentee ballot,
9 shall by letter or by authorized publication
10 or by other dependable regularly used means of
11 communication, be mailed to each member
12 eligible to vote at his/her last known home address.
13 The notice must specify who is entitled to receive an
14 absentee ballot.


Don't mislead these people, the Messenger is not required by the DOL.

Not only that but this one word pretty much discounts the Messenger because it sure isn't dependable.

 

[perserverance]

''redeye'' thanks for the exact explanation and not the bits
and pieces. ''700'' is not that much unlike the ''messenger''
in that he puts out what he or she wants us to read and not
all the information available. ''700'' does not speak for the
fleet yet seems to always wander into our discussions. (Deleted by moderator. Please refrain from namecalling. Thanks.)
Read line 9 again.......''by letter'' OR

Thanks again ''redeye''

 

[roabilly]

Y’all are crazy…

My understandin’ is tha Messenger is gonna go to “Woodblock†printin’…

Canale himself, is gonna dip each hand carved wooden impression block into ahh vessel containin’ tha membership’s blood… thus renderin’ ahh bronze age relief of modern day certificates of deposit… redeemable globally, on tattered sheets of papyrus !

 

[orioleman]

perv,
you are absolutely RIGHT.. 700 VOTED HIMSELF OUT OF A JOB and bakes twinkies as his new

profession . but yet still wants to lurk in the union world that SOLD him and his sisters out of their job.


go figure..

 

[Jester]

Per the IAM Constitution:
Article XXII, page 85

4 Where elections are held by secret ballot vote of
5 L.L. members, not less than 60 days prior to the
6 time when the elections are to be held, notice of the
7 time and place, of both the nominations and election,
8 together with an application for an absentee ballot,
9 shall by letter or by authorized publication
10 or by other dependable regularly used means of
11 communication, be mailed to each member
12 eligible to vote at his/her last known home address.
13 The notice must specify who is entitled to receive an
14 absentee ballot.

Thanks for the post, Redeye.

700UW, "or" is a mighty big word in this context as it does not require a 4-color, 16-page newsletter weighting 4 ounces or more.

However, here's what gets me a little bit. The election was two months ago and is there any requirement in being timely? Furthermore in this month's "Messenger" there is a single page listing the election results with 75% of it being printed sideways in 6-point type with a complete break-down of all the halls and vote totals for all candidates. Now I understand it is a great deal of information and it is important, but maybe Boss Canale could have spared an extra page by postponing the scholarship competition results, and removing the puzzler and a pretty lame political cartoon? Not to mention, maybe Boss Canale might have offered a congratulatory message to Rich Delaney, instead of his front page ex post facto tirade, "Is this the summer of United's discontent" mailed at the end of August? I suspect if Boss Canale won, it would have been front page coverage all with patriotic colored banners in a special edition.

If the "Messenger" was to be discontinued though, what other option would be readily available, given it's just right size and heavy pulp content for my cat's litter box?

So Contemplates Jester.

 

[roabilly]

Six…one half ahh dozen…
Do y’all know ahh baker's cuzin ?

 

[orioleman]

JESTER,
for the 1st time in HISTORY .. I agree with YOU.........

 

[orioleman]

Roa
I'm top dog on final 15 on PS .com

 

[700UW]

perv,
you are absolutely RIGHT.. 700 VOTED HIMSELF OUT OF A JOB and bakes twinkies as his new

profession . but yet still wants to lurk in the union world that SOLD him and his sisters out of their job.


go figure..

I voted no on the final offer and I was a stock clerk when I left US, not Utility, so try again.

and dont make twinkies, so keep trying and dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[orioleman]

700 ,
whatever you were . Here's a FACT for you . YOU DON'T work for US anymore

SO DON'T LET THE FACT'S GET IN YOUR WAY................

And yes YOU ARE A TWINKIE MAKER... BE PROUD OF IT.

EVERYBODY LOVES TWINKIES.

 

[700UW]

Dude, you couldnt be more far of base, better check and see what else the BCTGM represents.

And how many stations did you and your fellow fleet throw under the bus?

It was what, 19 just in the last contract alone?