IAM Fleet Service topic 6/14-6/20

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
How many times does Randy have to rub his C**k in peoples faces before they realize . How corrupt he is..

How could a true UNION man/women ever sleep at night knowing they would agree with this kind of BS. Sad thing is

now that its in the POS contract . IT will COST the MEMBERSHIP to get it out.

Oman, IMO randy sleeps well. He is not a true union man for sure, neither does he understand. I think he is 'full blown' management and always has been. Previously, he never was allowed to do much of anything.

I'm good friends with the previous District Chairman, Ken Thiede, and ken told me that he never let Randy negotiate an airline contract, only fixed based deals like serviceair, ogden.

At any rate, I think Canale's 5 contract extensions and fear of section 6 are a good witness against him and should 'crush' any idea of him being a labor man. He will hand over the 'green Jacket' to a real union man Mr. Delaney. Canale can't carry Delaney's jockstrap.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

I've been looking forward to this for awhile. Supposedly RD is going to be here Mon.
We vote on Tue. Were going to get a van and all are welcome to use it. UA, US,
ND08 or Team08. It will be running from 7:00 AM until 5:00 PM.

Yes, even though Rich already knocked out canale, he's still going to SAN because every station is important to the New Direction team members. With him, it's about building solidarity and letting you guys know you mean something. He doesn't need your vote at this point. But IMO it would be great if SAN showed him respect and support by showing up and joining the rest of the stations in saluting our new union leadership like TPA and EWR did yesterday.
Delaney is no Canale. Rich has been in many breakrooms and will continue to meet with the members as he is a personal guy, as opposed to Canale who will refuse to visit SAN or much of anywhere else and is ALWAYS arm's length away from the masses.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[necigrad]

Necigrad,
Unfortunately, Randy Canale worked with Hemenway on this one and agreed to bring back all shift managers so they could bump fleet service workers in certain reduction in force situations. Get this, he also agreed that these shift managers would actually retain all previous pay seniority even though Randy threw his own under the bus. I was told that the ramp 'flipped the bill' for this at a tune of over $1 million dollars cost.

Ummm... OK, what does it take for a DFR case? Because this is blatant and criminal.

Kindly check out Article 7, G. We are only talking about shift managers. Any other type of manager [higher or lower] is not applicable. Shift managers 'ARE" eligible to utilize all retained fleet service time to 'return' to the bargaining unit in the event of a 'reduction in force'.

That paragraph doesn't apply. This isn't a CS supervisor, it's a ramp one. The following paragraph, Paragraph H does. It specifically states "Followign this six- (^) month period these employees shall forfit all previous Fleet Service Classification and Pay Date Seniority". In addition to my aformentioned objections to the applicability of Paragraph G, there is a timeline issue as well. Since FS employees have already been notified that there are furloughs, there is no job for him to transfer to. If the Company is going to open up a non existant position for him, then they need to do that for a RIF personnel. And in addition to all that, the TWU CBA, Section 15 PAra 1, states"After the expiration of that six month period, he/she shall forgit all classification seniority". Since it's already been forfited under that document it's gone. The IAM document specifies that those covered employees RETAIN the senoirity, not forfit it. If the Company wanted this they should have asked for it during the TA negotiations. If it was in the negotiations, it was not presented to the membership, not voted upon, and thus void.

 

[freedom]

Hey ,
D*uce Bag. YOU crossed the line again. Keep it up .. the above reference is totally off color. and intolerable.

You really are a blatant Dumb A*s..

Obviously I’m talking about the ECOMINIC climate , not the loss of American LIVES …. I of course mean no disrespect to those who have passed … I think everyone on here knows I’m talking about the after affects of 9/11 on our industry …


O-man you can stick your head in the sweet soft sand , but it won’t change facts … I picked up a copy of the company news today … our fuel costs are expected to increase by 1.9 BILLION dollars from last year alone , the cost of oil has increased by over 80% since last year … the facts are completely undeniable , the us economy is in a tail spin meaning fewer people will be flying .

The measures our company is taking to make money will help but they won’t plug the gapping hole in our boat , further steps are necessary …

EVERY union on the property that has escaped from it’s BK contract WILL be taking concessions . This is an undeniable FACT , it’s fact because of the us economy , not a single one of us who’s worked here for more than 5 years want to see this company go down , especially not in today’s job market ..

Many of you are do nothings , you wait until it’s too late and you attempt to avoid reality all the while . That type of thinking is costly in the long run , we have time now to plan on how or what we want to bargain come the end of summer …

I want our 19 field stations back in return for concessions … this company will have a difficult time getting more concessions from fleet considering that our last contract was almost a concession in and of it’s self … but I’d be willing to trade away all of our paid holidays in exchange for our field stations … (that’s my take anyways )


Hey O-MAN , tell me , would you still have preferred that we NOT signed the contract and have tried to outwait the company ?

 

[freedom]

Freedom…

I’ve been reading your posts for over a year and half… and honestly… I have no clue as to what you are about!

I have never seen such a juxtaposition of convoluted, and conflicting concepts, and analogies… in any written materials that I have ever read in my life!

I this stuff supposed to be some kind of a joke… or distraction?

I wonder what life is like for my fellow fleet service workers on the east coast , don’t you have time to read the news papers? I know we do here , I’m up to date on what’s going on in the us economy , why aren’t you ?

The price of OIL has risen dramatically from the last year ….

The price of oil affects how airlines do business because their dependant on jet fuel .

The price of oil has risen so high it’s now hurting every major American airline …

The price of oil has risen so high it’s now hurting the American consumer causing them to fly more because they have less money .

These things affect our company , 1 it now costs us more just to conduct our regular business and 2 we have less demand for our product as that people are less likely to fly ..

Things are very bad in the industry in general and this affects all of us , do you remember what things were like after 9/11 ? With no one flying ? they didn’t fly due to fear , now they won’t be flying due to not having money or being able to afford a ticket … we’re in a competitive market against the other airlines which means we can’t charge more than the other guys . In order for our company to survive and stay compettve that means our company will have to bring down costs however it can , this will mean concessions at the end of the year …. Our labor groups will agree to the general idea of concessions because we all want our company to stay alive so we can stay employeed …

No one likes concessions , but given the choice between concessions and not being employeed, a super majority of us chose concessions …

If we can negotiate correctly we can get our 19 field stations back …


To those of you who don’t understand or refuse to understand , by signing the new TA we brought our class two stations up and got rid of the sixty day rule … SO STOP COMPLAINING!!!!!!!!!!!! We accomplished SOMETHING when we had the chance … otherwise we’d have gotten NOTHING done!!!!!!!!!

 

[b737200]

I wonder what life is like for my fellow fleet service workers on the east coast , don’t you have time to read the news papers? I know we do here , I’m up to date on what’s going on in the us economy , why aren’t you ?

The price of OIL has risen dramatically from the last year ….

The price of oil affects how airlines do business because their dependant on jet fuel .

The price of oil has risen so high it’s now hurting every major American airline …

The price of oil has risen so high it’s now hurting the American consumer causing them to fly more because they have less money .

These things affect our company , 1 it now costs us more just to conduct our regular business and 2 we have less demand for our product as that people are less likely to fly ..

Things are very bad in the industry in general and this affects all of us , do you remember what things were like after 9/11 ? With no one flying ? they didn’t fly due to fear , now they won’t be flying due to not having money or being able to afford a ticket … we’re in a competitive market against the other airlines which means we can’t charge more than the other guys . In order for our company to survive and stay compettve that means our company will have to bring down costs however it can , this will mean concessions at the end of the year …. Our labor groups will agree to the general idea of concessions because we all want our company to stay alive so we can stay employeed …

No one likes concessions , but given the choice between concessions and not being employeed, a super majority of us chose concessions …

If we can negotiate correctly we can get our 19 field stations back …


To those of you who don’t understand or refuse to understand , by signing the new TA we brought our class two stations up and got rid of the sixty day rule … SO STOP COMPLAINING!!!!!!!!!!!! We accomplished SOMETHING when we had the chance … otherwise we’d have gotten NOTHING done!!!!!!!!!

They wanted a contract signed to 2012, well they got it.
No means no.......why are you worried now about 19 cities, you weren't 2 months ago!
You must be getting bumped by the LAS folks. You made your bed now lay in it.

No concessions................Let management carry the burden now

 

[28L_or_10R?]

I picked up a copy of the company news today …

Ah yes. The company news. The Beacon of Truth on the Hill that Illuminates the World. 🙄

 

[cltrat]

Burn in hell, management lover. They wanted a contract signed to 2012, well they got it.
No means no.......why are you worried now about 19 cities, you weren't 2 months ago!
You must be getting bumped by the LAS folks. You made your bed now lay in it.

No concessions................Let management carry the burden now

you tell him!! it's insulting to hear him talk about those 19 stations when two months ago he was willing write them off to put a couple bucks in his pocket.

rest assured I speak for most of CLT and many of my east brothers and sisters when I say the only way they'll get any concessions from us is to go into BK and steal it from us

I would soon this trainwreck shut the doors before they steal from me while DP and his band of clowns continue to line their pockets and pack their golden chutes. F them!

 

[goodfellow]

Hey freedom,
just remember one thing.. NOT every member is weak as you and flip like a pancake. if DP came in the break room
and asked you to jump you would say HOW HIGH oh great leader of ours. YOU got your raise enjoy it. YOU obviously didn't vote
for the district officers so YOU DON'T have a say in it .

Hey goodfellow . advice on union issues from freedom is laughable. It's kinda like a kid playing coach pitch lecturing a Major ball player on how
to swing a bat.

Thank GOD he's not part of the current incumbents, they might not have gotten even one vote!!!!

 

[mike33]

Many of you are do nothings , you wait until it’s too late and you attempt to avoid reality all the while . That type of thinking is costly in the long run , we have time now to plan on how or what we want to bargain come the end of summer …

I want our 19 field stations back in return for concessions … this company will have a difficult time getting more concessions from fleet considering that our last contract was almost a concession in and of it’s self … but I’d be willing to trade away all of our paid holidays in exchange for our field stations … (that’s my take anyways )

You know what, i started to post a rebuttal freedom, but it will do no good. Debating you is like trying to get ur kid to to brush his teeth before bed........It takes years before they realize it's a good thing................Give it a rest already...........no one is going to pick up the phone on this end. PERIOD.......the company can call all it wants.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Burn in hell, management lover. They wanted a contract signed to 2012, well they got it.
No means no.......why are you worried now about 19 cities, you weren't 2 months ago!
You must be getting bumped by the LAS folks. You made your bed now lay in it.

No concessions................Let management carry the burden now

FWIW: the US EAST voted the contract down by a couple hundred votes, with CLT and PHL leading the way. The west field stations, however, agreed and shouted loud that this contract's protections were sufficient and couldn't wait to pass it in their breakrooms by an overwhelming 90%+, including RNO which I think was 100% [see current closure of freight dock]. This matter is 'old hat' and the field stations themselves 'resolved' it. Case now closed. Besides, there are about 60 east stations that were closed that are in front of the line if there ever were to be increased scope.
Sorry Freedom but the matter has been resolved by the west field stations themselves. They themselves agreed that their 2.5 year protections are adequate and fair for their families, even as east siders supported them and voted to preserve the west field station protections. Sorry.

I think what finally needs to happen is that PHX [if Freedom is truly the majority spokesman there] and those 19 stations need to start following the lead of those who realize concessions will only give bad management more time to manage badly. Nobody wants RNO to lose their freight work and nobody wants RNO to go bye bye in 2.5 years but there is now no choice in the matter. RNO voted and the field stations voted in convincing fashion that protections past 2.5 years does not mean anything to them and their families. Time to move on already. Both PHL and CLT voted in support of preserving RNO's freight dock but RNO itself voted to throw it under the bus.

Sorry Freedom, I hate to sound crude but the bottom line is that the 'small' [perhaps only yours]western voice screaming to open up the contract so the working families can take further concessions to enhance protections for those 19 stations that didn't consider their families past 2.5 years with job protections, is faint on this side of the mississippi. Sorry.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ummm... OK, what does it take for a DFR case? Because this is blatant and criminal.



That paragraph doesn't apply. This isn't a CS supervisor, it's a ramp one. The following paragraph, Paragraph H does. It specifically states "Followign this six- (^) month period these employees shall forfit all previous Fleet Service Classification and Pay Date Seniority". In addition to my aformentioned objections to the applicability of Paragraph G, there is a timeline issue as well. Since FS employees have already been notified that there are furloughs, there is no job for him to transfer to. If the Company is going to open up a non existant position for him, then they need to do that for a RIF personnel. And in addition to all that, the TWU CBA, Section 15 PAra 1, states"After the expiration of that six month period, he/she shall forgit all classification seniority". Since it's already been forfited under that document it's gone. The IAM document specifies that those covered employees RETAIN the senoirity, not forfit it. If the Company wanted this they should have asked for it during the TA negotiations. If it was in the negotiations, it was not presented to the membership, not voted upon, and thus void.

I would say the intent of the contract is to include shift managers that manage the ramp since I presume they fall under the greater Customer service unbrella. I might be wrong but I would think that to be the intent.

However, under further review and with consideration given to past seniority practices as dictated by the TWU contract , we must consider the following.
Article 7G of the east agreement coincides with article 7B. This is significant in that Article 7G only recognizes previous fleet service classification seniority that shift managers have 'retained' that is based on 'past seniority practices'.
Assuming you have interpreted your TWU contract correctly, your shift managers did not retain their ramp seniority so there is nothing in the east agreement that gives them back retroactive seniority. That being the case, your shift managers should not be allowed to come back to the ramp since the east contract recognizes past seniority practices and doesn't redefine them or make them retroactive [see article 7B].

If I was your local chairman, I would file this grievance immediately based on your 'past seniority practices' that demonstrate that your shift managers have not 'RETAINED' their fleet seniority. What will JM do?

The following grievance has merit, is on solid ground, and should be written along these lines.
"Violation of article 7G lines 33-38" "Shift managers are only eligible to utilize all 'retained' classification seniority to return to the bargaining unit in the event of a reduction in force..."
By definition, all classification seniority is 'based' on past seniority practices which remain in place[see 7B]. And the TWU contract eliminated any retention of fleet service seniority.
THerefore, there is no retention of classification seniority based on past seniority practices and I am asking for the full back pay, which further includes the avg amount of Overtime, of any ramp agent disenfranchised as a result of a shift manager being allowed to come back to the ramp with no retained seniority. "

That would be my framework of the grievance, assuming your TWU contract didn't allow them to retain their fleet seniority.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

who is writing the Canale concession speech? He's good at concessions and this is one time in which I agree that a Canale concession is in order. He should show Mr. Delaney the respect he deserves and do the 'decent' thing like all those who lose and write a nice and kind letter conceeding defeat and thowing 'full support' to Mr. Delaney. That's the type of closure that the membership deserves, not his typical cry baby stuff.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[robbedagain]

freedom, you folks out in the west voted in this POS TA it wont be long now before the airlines tells you that those 19 cities will shut permanently. You wanted that raise wel you got it at the cost of those 19 cities.

 

[Tim Nelson]

District Elections Update: CVG

Delaney 4
Canale 1

Will Canale get more than 5 stations to vote for him? Which stations want to join SEA, STL, DTW, JAX, DFW as the only ones who voted to keep things the same? Delaney is working on a string of about 10 in a row. Those remaining are EWR [US AIRWAYS], BUF, LGA [US AIRWAYS], BWI, SAN, MCI.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago