IAM Fleet Service topic

[JoeDirt]

Ditto O-man. We were told to "Live to fight another day" well guess what. That day has arrived and the fight is on.

 

[Dissent Equals Patriotism]

Ditto O-man. We were told to "Live to fight another day" well guess what. That day has arrived and the fight is on.

Hold them back! Do not give in to fear! Stand to your posts! FIGHT!

And vote NO!

 

[JoeDirt]

Hey GF
I did another "survey" today and ran into an old friend of yours. He told me to ask you how is the fishing.

 

[Tim Nelson]

something to think about

our current AGC in clt . says and I quote " We need to get to traditional neg so where have the strike vote to leverage"

but then says "I recommend you take this deal and extend your contract 4 more years so we can get to traditional neg"

WTF....... talk about contradictions. What he really wants to say is take this s*it and TRY and live off it that way I GET my
is right and fair.

I disagree and I think you will back me up on this. I personally am convinced and think what he's really saying is "Vote this in so I can get another 8.5% pay raise and make $130,000. remember, his salary is based on top out pay so is it any wonder why steps 1-9 got hosed with a mere .20cent raise?

The real shame is that fleet service hasn't had traditional bargaining since 1999. We have had 5 contract votes since then where Canale just keeps on extending the non-traditional contracts. Why be union without traditional bargaining? Folks, let me say this again, we have not had traditional bargining in this century. That's the Randy way, just keep extending these nasty agreements while he collects his big fat pay raises.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[perserverance]

C'mon people, those of you who are voting Yes on the information that Canale and
others are selling about oil and the economy please read the whole text of the April 28th
conference call. US is better than fine. They have stated that they have no significant debt
and look solid right now, til at least 2013. As each year pass's that number will increase, for
example in 2009 we should look good til 2014. The compay operates 5 years down the road.

You want to vote yes on an agreement that will expire in 2012, well guess what we'll probably
look good til 2017 but we'll listen to the ''snake charmers'' and buy what thier selling. DP will
make 200% more after and when a merger takes place. Tilton will make 11.9million dollars
and walk away. Canale and the ''boys club'' will make $125,000++ and continue to dictate
the demise of our company to us. We'll continue to struggle and beg for .20cents.

The YES vote love to tell us the state of the company and the economy as if we are unaware.
Read the conference call. Thier stable, as a matter of fact thier beyond stable thier in great
shape and UA is right around the corner, that will make us #1 and paid as the bottom of the
industry.

Thanks

 

[727_4_Ever]

Just my feeling but if everyone would like to get this over with quickly a resounding NO vote is what it's going to take. CLT is feeling very, very NO and even the few Yeses have turned with the merger drawing closer by the day. I'm tired of the company dragging their feet and not giving us what's fair. I said fair not industry leading. When this is voted out if it's only a 55% or so then this will just drag on longer. Regardless of what Randy says they'll be back to the table soon and if they see that they're close to the 50 + 1 that they're looking for then we'll get another POS T/A and the drama continues. ON the other hand if we give them a big loud and clear NO then they'll come back and realize they need to be fair to get what they want from us and it will be over much quicker. So everyone who's tired of this whole thing let's get a message to Randy, Doug and Al that to get this done we need something fair. Just my feeling. Vote how your situation dictates and mine dictates a No. I feel it'll be no but probably not big enough yet to get the message across so we'll be right back doing this again in a couple months. There you go Joe Dirt. A post that's not 3 pages long. LOL

 

[727_4_Ever]

Sorry O-Man for parking in your upper tree branch.

 

[Tim Nelson]

WTF....... they just want to extend , extend, extend . In 13 yrs this union has had 1 repeat 1

traditional NEG and that was the 1st contract b]

Oman, Randy Canale has thus far refused to engage in traditional bargaining for US AIRWAYS fleet service. He was not a signer of our traditional contract of 1999. So far all Randy has said is the following:

First Canale contract of 2002: "vote for this because the 1113 letters will keep the company from coming for more". This was the first time we heard "Live to fight another day."

Second Canale contract, where the company threw out the 1113 letters, was signed in 2003. This was the famous lie, "Jets for Jobs" and "MDA will provide more jobs". Both were lies that hoodwinked fleet directly after the ratification

Third Canale contract extended things again in 2005. This was the famous quotes "The concession stand is closed." and my personal fav, "I had a gun to my head and a knife to my belly."

4th contract was in 2007 and was defeated. His lie there was ,"Your choice is between accepting this contract or waiting until 2009." Everytime this guys lips are moving he is lying.

5th extension is this one where he just extends things again. His lie now is basically repeating his lie of 2007 when he said if you vote No "The company won't be back."

Does anyone ever ask, how does Canale know the company won't be back? I mean I asked my AGC today why the company won't be back and he said hemenway told them so. of course my AGC told us the same thing back in August. If we had 3 Mike Fairbanks in negotiations, we'd have a ratified agreement and a fairer contract and respect. Unfortunately, all we had was Mike.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

Just my feeling but if everyone would like to get this over with quickly a resounding NO vote is what it's going to take. CLT is feeling very, very NO and even the few Yeses have turned with the merger drawing closer by the day. I'm tired of the company dragging their feet and not giving us what's fair. I said fair not industry leading. When this is voted out if it's only a 55% or so then this will just drag on longer. Regardless of what Randy says they'll be back to the table soon and if they see that they're close to the 50 + 1 that they're looking for then we'll get another POS T/A and the drama continues. ON the other hand if we give them a big loud and clear NO then they'll come back and realize they need to be fair to get what they want from us and it will be over much quicker. So everyone who's tired of this whole thing let's get a message to Randy, Doug and Al that to get this done we need something fair. Just my feeling. Vote how your situation dictates and mine dictates a No. I feel it'll be no but probably not big enough yet to get the message across so we'll be right back doing this again in a couple months. There you go Joe Dirt. A post that's not 3 pages long. LOL

I do not believe Randy will be back as all the big UA and US stations nominated Rich Delaney in overwhelming fashion. The NO vote will be heard by Rich. I don't want to speak for Rich but my gut feeling tells me that the first thing he will do is to take proposals from the masses, then establish a screening committe to prioritize the proposals. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter who is negotiating, even could be superman, whoever it is, MUST INVOLVE THE MASSES AND THEIRIN LIES THE STRENGTH. Randy never grasped this and just did what Randy thought he should do....most definately as a direct result of his conflict of interest sitting as a compensated United Board of Director. Remember, Rich has went public and stated to both UA and US members that he will not sit on the UA board as he KNOWS this is a conflict of interest. And knowing Rich personally, he wouldn't be as impressed as Randy is with the 'wine and cheese' board parties and limo rides.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[727_4_Ever]

Tim, the days of Rich and his gang of true negotiators won't come soon enough. Someone will really ask what the people want and inform the company of such in real negotiations? How the hell is that going to feel? I bet it will feel great.!!!!!!!!1

 

[freedom]

Come to the dark side for a minute if you would brothers ….

Let us ask our selves if we were a CEO of this merged company , what would be the most beneficial thing to do to reduce costs ?

Well if I were the CEO , the first group of workers I’d want to cut would be my most senior workers … their the ones who cost me the most , from pension to health insurance …

First I’d start with the east coast which is rife with seniority , I now have duplicate HUBS over there that I don’t need , so who to get rid of first ?

PHL I have to keep , it makes too much money , I can make cuts there , but nothing dramatic , CLT however I’m going to cut to the very bone … the reason I’m going to do this is multi fold , first of all , when it comes to my ramp agents while I have other HUBS on the east coast , their full of workers hired pre 1994 , and their contract makes it too hard for me to get rid of them , it’s a pain rather , so I won’t bother , however I know the CLT workers are disposed of permanently once they get cut , I will NEVER have to worry about brining them back once I get rid of them , those costs I can remove from my balance sheet for good .. The second reason I’m going to get rid of CLT are it’s east coast pilots , their too dangerous , too militant and too united , the fewer I have of them the better , otherwise I will end up with the best paid pilots in the industry and that’s not a good thing ….

Moving on to the West coast I also have too many hubs out there , someone needs to go , but now I’m paying attention to my costs again … DEN and SFO are expensive to keep , everything from landing charges to senior employees .. But if I look at PHX , it’s employee’s on average are not senior therefore I save a TON more money by keeping them , also the airport has far less weather problems than DEN and SFO …. By getting rid of either DEN or SFO , I can also pretend to look as if I’m cutting this company back in a fair manner .. It’s win win for me ..

Now on to the field stations and the mini hubs , when it comes to fleet service , I will simply try to eliminate the east coast wherever possible , with the west , I’ll do so when I feel it’s cost effective as that most of the workers in the west field stations don’t even have more than 5 years in , it’s still cost effective to keep them … With our smaller mini hubs , ill try to reduce them below 69 flights daily and then contract them out … either way I will be saving millions upon millions of dollars .

 

[freedom]

huh? You're just going to 'roll into UA's contract if we want to"? Really?

Don't you even see your present predicament? Did you just 'roll' into the east contract? Don't you even know why you haven't received one wage increase in 3 years? Don't you realize that what is happening to you is a direct result of your last Yes vote?

Your contract was up in 2005 and it was the best contract your company has ever seen, and that is why they weren't in ANY hurry to look at you or even hear your voice. Tell me freedom, is that what you want us to do? And do you honestly think UA will 'roll us' into a much higher contract? Will Canale just give you UA's profit sharing?

I think it makes 'good sense' that UA won't have anything to do with us until the next decade as nothing will compell them to come to the table since this contract has no protections or snapbacks, and the masses will have NO VOICE as they will be 'locked in' to an industry worst contract.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Well gee tim , if they won’t just ROLL us in then, why should we assume we can just ROLL in now , doesn’t your BIG picture advocate a roll into united ?

The only thing that’s not BIG about your picture is that

1 . It won’t be that easy

And

2 . Until your contract expires on DEC 31 2009 , united may hold you to that and cut cut cut away at your precious east fleet service in attempts to counter the ever rising costs of fuel .


Tim ,the masses will have NO voice because most of them will be out on the 60 day furlough ....

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

UAL, USAir in "very advanced"
merger talks: sources

WASHINGTON - United Airlines, a unit of UAL Corp and US Airways Group Inc are in "very advanced" merger talks, two sources with knowledge of the matter said on Monday.
A deal, one of the sources said, could be finalized within the next couple of weeks, and could include significant cuts in capacity.
The discussions intensified over the weekend after Continental Airlines Inc , which had been in negotiations with United, pulled out to explore a potential marketing alliance with American Airlines and British Airways PLC.

Remember this come voting day. DO NOT allow them to outsource and cut jobs! With shrinking, comes job cuts!
I'm a solid no....

 

[Dissent Equals Patriotism]

I found these on the internet so they must be true……

http://www.rense.com/general81/pure.htm
Perhaps 60% Of Today's
Oil Price Is Pure Speculation
By F. William Engdahl
5-3-8

The price of crude oil today is not made according to any traditional relation of supply to demand. It's controlled by an elaborate financial market system as well as by the four major Anglo-American oil companies. As much as 60% of today's crude oil price is pure speculation driven by large trader banks and hedge funds. It has nothing to do with the convenient myths of Peak Oil. It has to do with control of oil and its price.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9...;show_article=1
The country's economic growth during January through March was the same as in the final three months of last year, the Commerce Department reported Wednesday. The statistic did not meet what economists consider the classic definition of a recession, which is a retraction of the economy. This means that although the economy is stuck in a rut, it is still managing to grow, even if modestly.

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzbush0...0,4502200.story
Bush: No recession, just 'very slow economy'

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...refer=worldwide
Buffett Says Credit Crisis Ebbs for Wall Street Firms

 

[freedom]

C'mon people, those of you who are voting Yes on the information that Canale and
others are selling about oil and the economy please read the whole text of the April 28th
conference call. US is better than fine. They have stated that they have no significant debt
and look solid right now, til at least 2013. As each year pass's that number will increase, for
example in 2009 we should look good til 2014. The compay operates 5 years down the road.

You want to vote yes on an agreement that will expire in 2012, well guess what we'll probably
look good til 2017 but we'll listen to the ''snake charmers'' and buy what thier selling. DP will
make 200% more after and when a merger takes place. Tilton will make 11.9million dollars
and walk away. Canale and the ''boys club'' will make $125,000++ and continue to dictate
the demise of our company to us. We'll continue to struggle and beg for .20cents.

The YES vote love to tell us the state of the company and the economy as if we are unaware.
Read the conference call. Thier stable, as a matter of fact thier beyond stable thier in great
shape and UA is right around the corner, that will make us #1 and paid as the bottom of the
industry.

Thanks

of course their going to say everything looks great and it's nothing but sunshine and love over here ! who would merge with us if we were telling people we're shutting down next week?

I urge our readers to watch the first quarter video from this year Q1 2008 , while its not doom and gloom it's not love and sunshine either ....

Get your heads in the game , our lives are not about what the CEO is making or the union president is making , it's about what we're making and if we get to keep our jobs !

I know the united wages look WONDERFULL , much like the COC did , these people are telling you that the plank bridge over that chasm is safe again and it’s OK to walk across and theirs love and sunshine on the other side …. But the truth is

A roll into the united contract for you won’t happen until DEC 31ST 2009 … and who knows if it’s as easy as “ok we give up , please roll us in “ I HIGHLY doubt it will be that easy …. Has anything been easy for any of us with this company ?

What Tim and his crew are proposing just doesn’t sound right to me , and they refuse to discuss the 60 day cuts that will occur … why is that ?

Brothers it may look like those of us who propose the yes vote are a minority , but we aren’t, the fact is on here there’s a majority of super senior workers , I’m not super senior … but their majority drowns me out , and those who share the yes view point …. It’s these super senior people who aren’t afraid to step over your corpses to collect their pay day ….