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Our union president gave a speech here in PHX today , I happened to catch part of it , it appears that he’s taking our union in the direction of fighting against this merger or any other merger …. He said something to the effect that it’s bad for the workers , the company is only aiming to save that proposed 1.5 billion dollars by getting rid of people , and that this company should not once again be trying to reach into our pockets to take from us ….. He said that our union economist guys had some ideas for this company about ways they could save money without merging … I heard a proposal to raise the foreign investment cap from 25% to 49% (a political solution ) … Then he also went on to talk about using our political connections in Washington to fight this using an anti monopoly slant ..He also seemed to imply that PHX could be hurt by any future merger with united … He came off to me as very intelligent and reasonable , and I even listened to him answer a few questions after the speech …

He closed by saying that a packet was being sent out in the mail and it would fill us in about this fight against mergers etc…

I think it’s great that our union leaders want to try and preserve as many jobs as possible by fighting a possible merger , but I have to wonder if it’s really a realistic route to take … Doug parker and MR T will drag both of their work forces kicking and screaming into a merger if they feel it’s the right thing for the respective companies irregardless of how our unions feel … As for putting hope for a political solution in our congress , eh , that’s all I have to say about congress … eh ….

I sure hope the information that is being sent out by our union is convincing , because right now doug parkers argument that mergers are the best way to survive is winning in my mind .. Oil keeps hitting new highs day after day … if we have to put some of our work force under the AX so that our company can survive , so be it … I know a cold view , but better a few should live than all perish .

I hope our union is working towards the “what if we merge “ scenario and making sure to look at what steps need to be taken that are fair for our workers in that kind of situation .. Maybe conducting talks with the company now to try and extend the furlough period by a few more years , and perhaps an increase to furlough compensation seeing as that times are so hard economically….

Here’s another idea , before even ONE of our fleet service workers gets kicked to the streets , perhaps we should demand that this company replace it’s service vendors with our fleet workers rather than laying off OUR people ..


Oh well , I guess I’m just a pessimist , I sure hope I’m wrong about the future .
You guys out west wanted this pos t/a...now you have to live with the outcome..which does'nt look good for you.....oh well...I hate to use the old phrase I TOLD YA SO...Good Luck To YA...
 
And by voting yes on this TA the IAM practically gift wrapped the fleet service for a merger with United. Whatever happens in the west I have no sympathy for as the majority cut their own throats.
I SOO AGREE.......
 
Its statements like this that will keep us divided. Thanks BM for helping me realize that I will be axed soon. But before I go I will still have time to vote for one more vote and a campaign to vote YES FOR RANDY 2008. I believe RC really let us down with this POS TA and would have voted no but since your lousy attitude towards the west has pissed me off and the fact I won't be here much longer, I think a yes is in order. Hope to see you in the unemployment soon with RC at the helm again.

Ya thats the smart thing to do. If you want to try and bring others down for your mistakes then your character is self-explanatory. Sorry but you loaded to gun for the company with this TA mess not me.
 
Its statements like this that will keep us divided. Thanks BM for helping me realize that I will be axed soon. But before I go I will still have time to vote for one more vote and a campaign to vote YES FOR RANDY 2008. I believe RC really let us down with this POS TA and would have voted no but since your lousy attitude towards the west has pissed me off and the fact I won't be here much longer, I think a yes is in order. Hope to see you in the unemployment soon with RC at the helm again.
I hope you are not on the unemployment line,but if your are so be it....us in the east tried to warn you out west of the possible outcome...NEW DIRECTION ALL THE WAY.........................GOOD LUCK
 
Well, I think you guys are being a bit too dramatic about the TA. If you read the RLA, it states that a company has the power to "determine its own destiny." If Doug wants us gone, he doesn't need a contract to do it. If it gets to the point of a bankruptcy or merger, he will find a way.

The only thing I'm worried about is the people affected by the language in this contract, all else is speculation. I am guarded on this issue.
 
SO FREEDOM,

you haven't answered my question. Is the 60 day rule still in effect right now that the TA was voted in ??

P. Rez...help him with that one....what do you think ?
 
mike33,

SO FREEDOM,

you haven't answered my question. Is the 60 day rule still in effect right now that the TA was voted in ??

P. Rez...help him with that one....what do you think ?


No, I think 60 day rule is gone after further looking into.
 
Let me be clear in my views , as complex as they are ….

When I posted about our union president I was simply sharing with you something that happened here in PHX today that you might like to hear about , I then offered my own opinion or “take†on the situation ….

I’m not part of the news media so I’m going to offer up my biased opinion whether any of you like it or not .
I’m NOT going to rehash the VOTE with some of you .

The reason I disagreed with what RC proposed is that while it may be admirable to attempt to fight to save ALL the jobs , if doing so would send our company down a dead end then I see no point in pursuing such a strategy .Also as theo pointed out , I don’t believe the politicians will intervene on our behalf, otherwise they would have already done so for Northwest and furthermore , what good is congress going to do if they block our company from doing what it might NEED to do in order to survive . Now if our union wanted to lobby congress perhaps they might consider the passenger airline Tax holiday I wrote about lol ….


Finally to address some of the concerns of yours O-man , your thinking INSIDE the box …. Don’t let yourself be placed in a prison that has cardboard for walls ..

I believe strongly in fairness , let me stress here that I’m saying this with emphasis.

As I alluded too , in the event of a merger where they say their trying to “cut capacity “ (which would lead one to think route restructuring ) the company should ATTEMPT to keep as many of it’s own workers employed …If this means that a vendor station that turns 12 of our flights a day has to be in sourced to allow our people to transfer there , then that is just and fair .. Now on the OTHER side of that coin , I wouldn’t demand of our company that they in source a vendor station that turns only 1 of our flights a day .. There’s a medium and we need to find it … I know many of you will say “but we’ve signed a contract “ and I would say back to you ,â€oh no!!! we signed a contract , oh no! their made out of paper , one of the strongest materials on the face of the planet , there’s nothing that we can do , oh no!†:lol:

either way , this is still speculation , we may never even merge …
 
mike33,

SO FREEDOM,

you haven't answered my question. Is the 60 day rule still in effect right now that the TA was voted in ??

P. Rez...help him with that one....what do you think ?


No, I think 60 day rule is gone after further looking into.
.

P. Rez

What brings you to that conclusion? DF Tim O Roa RR Shocker GR ? the TA is signed. Someone in the Union must know for sure?
 
SO FREEDOM,

you haven't answered my question. Is the 60 day rule still in effect right now that the TA was voted in ??

P. Rez...help him with that one....what do you think ?

mike forgive me hear but I think you might have hit your head on the surfboard one to many times.

Are you actually asking someone to read or interpret the contract from someone who 1 isn't involved in the union

2. doesn't understand the language of the contract. that's like asking a blind man for directions.
 
mike forgive me hear but I think you might have hit your head on the surfboard one to many times.

Are you actually asking someone to read or interpret the contract from someone who 1 isn't involved in the union

2. doesn't understand the language of the contract. that's like asking a blind man for directions.

I know, I know. I just thought that now that the TA was signed, it wouldn't be a surprise anymore ? Someone who fought so hard to say it's gone, must

have a solid interpretation by now, or am I going to be surprised when they downsize some stations before Nov 3 ( OEI ) and it's still in there?
 
freedom,
I am going to say this and I ask you don't take it the wrong way (which you probably will) . but anyway

obviously You have never dealt with management on grievances and contract interpretations . I have. and I can tell you that

the company will go by the letter of the contract and in some cases try and twist the wording in there favor . That's where the

grievance procedure comes in . Having had to go toe to toe with management of interpretation of the contract . I can guarantee

the company IS ALWAYS going to try and spin it in THERE FAVOR . THATS THERE JOB . that's why we have stewards and grievance

committees. IF you haven't dealt with the company on this level then you have no idea what I'm talking about. Your wish list is

great but I live in the real world . and have had the company throw our wording of OUR contract back in my face many times.

So I'm sorry if you take offense to this but . In less your in the ring taking the punches you really don't know how much it stings.
 
:wacko:

you so don't understand what i was trying to tell you ...... :blink:
 
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What brings you to that conclusion? DF Tim O Roa RR Shocker GR ? the TA is signed. Someone in the Union must know for sure?

Effective on Transition date amend CBA as follows:

• Effective on date of ratification, the 60 day rule will be eliminated for any furloughs that
occur after that date.

• All Employees who are currently working at any station under the 60 day rule or any station
covered under the Interim Transition Agreement on the first day of the first pay period
following ratification will be placed on the pay scale consistent with their US Airways pay
seniority on date of furlough.

• Employees currently on involuntary furlough for 60 days or more shall forfeit all pay date
seniority except that an employee who is recalled to the station from which he was
furloughed prior to OEI will be placed in the pay scale consistent with their pay date seniority
at date of furlough. In addition, if an employee’s furlough station remains closed and the
Employee is recalled to their selected recall station prior to OEI, such Employee will be
placed on the pay scale consistent with their pay date seniority at date of furlough.


Mike33,

What about this is unclear? The ones on death row have been given their shot
and will pass soon. For these people I would like a moment of silence.

Bullet point 1:
• Effective on date of ratification, the 60 day rule will be eliminated for any furloughs that
occur after that date.
The date of ratification has passed. The 60 day rule will not affect anyone furloughed after May 8, 2008.

Bullet point 2:
• All Employees who are currently working at any station under the 60 day rule or any station
covered under the Interim Transition Agreement on the first day of the first pay period
following ratification will be placed on the pay scale consistent with their US Airways pay
seniority on date of furlough.
If you are working in a station covered by the agreement or if you transfered to a covered station and
started yesterday, you are safe and will retain your pay seniority consistent with your pay seniority
on date of furlough. If you transfer into a station after yesterday and you were on furlough,
you will be paid new hire pay.(sorry)

Bullet point 3:
• Employees currently on involuntary furlough for 60 days or more shall forfeit all pay date
seniority except that an employee who is recalled to the station from which he was
furloughed prior to OEI will be placed in the pay scale consistent with their pay date seniority
at date of furlough. In addition, if an employee’s furlough station remains closed and the
Employee is recalled to their selected recall station prior to OEI, such Employee will be
placed on the pay scale consistent with their pay date seniority at date of furlough.
If you are currently still on furlough not working in a covered station, you basically have until OEI to
get back to your recall station if it by wild chance reopens. People on recall at this time cannot change
their recall station as it was established at the time of furlough unless changed according to
Article 9.C.6. of the Fleet Service Agreement:

Employee’s furloughed/displaced from a location
that is closing will be given the option of selecting a
new location for recall within the same classification
group. The new location is chosen at the time the
location closes and may only be changed if the
employee is affected in the same classification group
as a result of another location closing. Employees
from closed locations will be placed on the recall list
within their classification group for their new
location, along with employee’s
furloughed/displaced from the location, in seniority
order. These employees will also maintain all recall
rights to the closed location.

I hope this answered your question if not PM me and I will find answers to your questions.
 
redeye,
Glad to have you back .. WHERE the H*ll have been lately . YOUR the expert on this contract lingo s*it.

welcome back.........
 
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