IAM Nominations and Results

[perserverance]

Thanks, ''redeye''. "Golden Ram'', the reference golden calf is a biblical reference
in the story of Moses coming down from the mountain only to find his people
worshipping a golden calf. Unless, you thought you were part of my use of the
words ''and others''. Unlike most Canale supporters you have stated your case
for some time and I was not referring to you. I apologize if you took it the wrong way.
I however do not ask the same from 'the others''(141, Local Lodge, etc..)

Bob, I know what youv'e heard and the first part appears to be true or at least heading
in that direction. G.S. has asked Haydens' friend to become part of the committee but as
far as I know Hayden is not involved. With that being said ,I do know that this new committee
person is still very friendly with Hayden and it has the appearance that Hayden is or may be
involved at some stages. I would hope not but this issue is not going by unnoticed.
I hope this clears it up alittle and I will let you know if anything changes. You are also correct
that the three of them were involved in the committee this past year, in a ''different pecking
order''


Thanks

 

[roadtrip]

141,
I nominated the "NEW DIRECTION TEAM" at local 2444 in INT and work in RDU. I am sure that with those in attendance, KA, JR, and a few other AGC's, they all can tell you who I am. With the help of 3 other US Fleet Service members and 1 UA Fleet service member we got the nomination for "THE NEW DIRECTION TEAM" out of 2444.

Irish,
I give you and your fellow RDU folks the upmost respect and sincer thanks for helping oust Canale and Canalites.

Also thank you moderator for removing the pictures 141 had posted that really crossed the line and was

such an insult to familys of Sept 11.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Irish,
I give you and your fellow RDU folks the upmost respect and sincer thanks for helping oust Canale and Canalites.

Also thank you moderator for removing the pictures 141 had posted that really crossed the line and was

such an insult to familys of Sept 11.

My thanks also.

 

[Districtforce]

PJ, congrats on your nomination of the NEW DIRECTION TEAM in INT. We broke the 53 year record by securing 10 nominations already. Previously the most nominations any competing team got was 9. We got 10 in the first week and we are shooting for 25-30. Our nominations already represent 15,000 of the 25,000 members of this district but we are trying to get enough local nominations to represent over 20,000 members or 80% of the district. To do this we need more people like you to do what needs to be done. The bigger the vote against Canale, the bigger the voice in the District AND the negotiations room.

As aside, who was the dufus who nominated Canale there? Any Local Chairman who sells out his members and nominates Canale should be marked.

For those at the smaller stations who want to make your station a part of the NEW DIRECTION TEAM and join in on our winning slate, email me here

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Mr. Nelson

I'd like to ask you and you only, exactly how much experience you have negotiating contracts? You seem to have all the answers about Randy. Your carrier came out of bankruptcy with a bankruptcy plan that is based on it being a Low Cost Carrier. Also, your carrier engages in cost neutral bargaining which makes choices rather difficult in representing members. Do you negotiate more pay at risk of more layoffs? That's the reality. Randy has done an excellent job of preserving our membership. Your company offered $19 an hour a few weeks ago and if you think it should be higher than that then how many jobs is that worth to you? Do you even know what cost neutral negotiations are? Where is this leverage you keep talking about that Labor has in this environment?

Also, do you have enough experience to determine your company's financial health? Your company made almost $100 million dollars less this year than the previous year. Oil is at all-time record highs and we lost the grievance. You would have been wise to ratify the previous contract. The industry will consolidate this year, what's your plan for that? Do you think we should bleed your company at the negotiations table so that it can not attract the necessary investors ? If so then your company will fail.

How much experienced does Delaney have? His own members in Chicago don't like him. What's going to be the difference in having an experienced Randy Canale and an inexperienced Rich Delaney? Randy's experience brings more leverage to the table than Delaney. Your slate produced lies and this caught us off guard but your slate is now losing steam as many of those locals who voted for your slate are now asking if they can take back their nominations. We have been in touch with the Locals who have not nominated yet and I'm confident that they will all nominate Randy. We have informed them of your personal agenda of hatred of the IAM and also have made them aware that your slate is filled with members who all have personal District agendas even though they have not even served their Local membership. Tell the truth Tim.

 

[mike33]

Your company offered $19 an hour a few weeks ago and if you think it should be higher than that then how many jobs is that worth to you? Do you even know what cost neutral negotiations are?

So,
You seem to know alot about our company. If you know they offered $19 then great. I have not seen that written anywhere, nor have I seen the rest of what was negotiated. Lets' see it. Give me something tangible to see. It's a secret isn't it.....oh...i know...you can't say because you ageed with AL not to say till we get a final. Well great then. Nothing has changed.


sonofsamsonite

 

[New Direction Spokesman]

District FARCE which locals are you lying about now? PHL (Stevie Canales home) which beat him by 120 votes? Chicago which beat him by 90+? Denver where he only got 4 votes of 125, and there were 4 of his District officers there? JFK where he got beat by double? You can spin anything you want FARCE but the truth is the membership is FED UP with status Quo. Rich Delaney has the experience, the suport network, and the backing of the membership. Canale is a Board Member of UAL who turned a blind eye to his membership while UAL buried pensions, vacations, raises, insurance.etc.. HE was in the God Damn room while all that was discussed and passed but never told the rank and file. Rather he led us to slaughter. Now he's doing the exact same thing to US. FARCE tell me how he voted when CEO Tilton was given $39 million? Tell me all about his code of silence he has to keep for the UAL Board? You're so full of crap it's sickening. Defend him all you want. You're just wasting time. WE'RE COMING FOR HIM IN JUNE AND NOTHING WILL STOP US!! Misguided bottom feeders like yourself are so happy to have a union man on UAL's Board. Well the rank and file is tired of having a member of management and the UAL board hiding in our union!!!!

 

[Jester]

Mr. Nelson

I'd like to ask you and you only, exactly how much experience you have negotiating contracts? You seem to have all the answers about Randy. Your carrier came out of bankruptcy with a bankruptcy plan that is based on it being a Low Cost Carrier. Also, your carrier engages in cost neutral bargaining which makes choices rather difficult in representing members. Do you negotiate more pay at risk of more layoffs? That's the reality. Randy has done an excellent job of preserving our membership. Your company offered $19 an hour a few weeks ago and if you think it should be higher than that then how many jobs is that worth to you? Do you even know what cost neutral negotiations are? Where is this leverage you keep talking about that Labor has in this environment?

Also, do you have enough experience to determine your company's financial health? Your company made almost $100 million dollars less this year than the previous year. Oil is at all-time record highs and we lost the grievance. You would have been wise to ratify the previous contract. The industry will consolidate this year, what's your plan for that? Do you think we should bleed your company at the negotiations table so that it can not attract the necessary investors ? If so then your company will fail.

How much experienced does Delaney have? His own members in Chicago don't like him. What's going to be the difference in having an experienced Randy Canale and an inexperienced Rich Delaney? Randy's experience brings more leverage to the table than Delaney. Your slate produced lies and this caught us off guard but your slate is now losing steam as many of those locals who voted for your slate are now asking if they can take back their nominations. We have been in touch with the Locals who have not nominated yet and I'm confident that they will all nominate Randy. We have informed them of your personal agenda of hatred of the IAM and also have made them aware that your slate is filled with members who all have personal District agendas even though they have not even served their Local membership. Tell the truth Tim.

District,

I agree with you insofar that I question the overly optimistic promises of the New Directions Team, Also, this new team will continue to use West as leverage for East benefit as Tim reminded me a few days ago when he was vexed over Boss Canale's "threat" to bring West under the East contract in a Hobbesian choice vote. Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss...

However, Boss Canale has done nothing for West but take off the Section 6 option and if East gets a raise then he'll throw some crumbs our way, but West is going to wait for what could be several years. Boss Canale overplayed his CIC hand by cheerleading the viability of winning the greivance for which was plain to see there was little chance, but in the process created unwarranted expectations, in particular, within East. Ironically, while East feels Boss Canale has not represented them adequately, I think it is more of a case of honest differences in terms of what is realistic within the current economic environment. However, West has been pretty much ignored unless it affected Boss Canale's position of power and now suddenly he is willing to toss us a bone (much to Tim's disappointment and dismay).

I agree with you that I wouldn't want Tim to negotiate anything on my behalf as I think his Mad Hatter approach would lead to a complete meltdown, but as far as I know, Tim is not listed on the ticket and I have not heard the same fiery rhetoric from others on the New Directions Team. It is a calculated risk in terms of my support, either take a chance that the Mad Hatters do not control the New Directions Team or continue with the same Boss Canale and his Do-Nothing crew.

So Proclaims Jester.

 

[mike33]

We have been in touch with the Locals who have not nominated yet and I'm confident that they will all nominate Randy. We have informed them of your personal agenda of hatred of the IAM and also have made them aware that your slate is filled with members who all have personal District agendas even though they have not even served their Local membership.

I'll say it again, for some that I know, personal wars and agendas' don't interst us a bit. It's what is written on the paper that matters, and so far I haven't seen any improvement. " Your negotiating committee unanimously recommends ratification of this agreementent". Randys' own words !

When a negotiation stalls…CHANGE something:
· The Location ( done )
· The Timetable ( done )
· The Specifications ( don't know )
· The Shape of the Money ( don't know )
· The Negotiator or a Team Member ( in process )
FORBEARANCE is one of the strongest negotiation strategies. The party with no deadlines has a tremendous advantage. We have something that AL wants because their time is drawing closer to a merger. I personally don't know the new slate but I rely on some of the membership to know and I think it is proven in the Vote Tallys'. If you are right then you are saying that the vote for Delaney was a vote out of ignorance by so many......I find that hard to believe.

sonofsamsonite

 

[roadtrip]

Anyone notice as soon a one incumbent cockroach is crushed and sent off to the cornfields another cockroach shows up the same day.

 

[pjirish317]

Anyone notice as soon a one incumbent cockroach is crushed and sent off to the cornfields another cockroach shows up the same day.

Isn't that something. Also, they are afraid to say who they are, I guess they don't want anyone to know that they are addicted to the koolaid. I said where I was from. Not hard to figure out who I am. I propose a challange, To anyone pro canale, please state where you are from and what city you work in. I do not think any of canoli's supporters will do this as they are as chickens*%t as canoli is.

 

[mike33]

READ IT........AND WEEP


READ IT.........

If a Class 2 station has less than 56
scheduled weekly departures, Fleet
Service work can be outsourced.

If a
Class 2 station increases to 98 weekly
scheduled departures, Fleet Service ..............(Almost twice as much to get back!)
work is required to return in-house.


Effective December 31st 2011 any
station covered under this paragraph
will fall under the January 31st 2005
CBA Article 3 as amended.

WEEP

Effective December 31st 2011 any of
the following stations (ABQ, AUS,
BUR, ELP, OAK, OMA, ONT, RNO,
SJC, SLC, SMF, PDX, MSP, MCI,
MKE, SEA, DEN and SAN) may be
outsourced if they fall below 28 .....(Add ur flights up and see where you fall on 12/31/2011.)
weekly mainline jet departures on an .......(Why do they go from 56 at signing to 28 on 12/31/2011)
annualized basis. If any of these
stations are outsourced after January
1st 2011 the company will be required
to in source those stations where the
weekly jet departures increase to 49
on an annualized basis.

This above scenario is real for you if US merges with a dominant carrier in the above markets such as UA.......How long will that $19 last? 2 years?
Curent TWU contract provides no outsourcing

sonofsamsonite

 

[roosterfish]

READ IT........AND WEEP


READ IT.........

If a Class 2 station has less than 56
scheduled weekly departures, Fleet
Service work can be outsourced.

If a
Class 2 station increases to 98 weekly
scheduled departures, Fleet Service ..............(Almost twice as much to get back!)
work is required to return in-house.


Effective December 31st 2011 any
station covered under this paragraph
will fall under the January 31st 2005
CBA Article 3 as amended.

WEEP

Effective December 31st 2011 any of
the following stations (ABQ, AUS,
BUR, ELP, OAK, OMA, ONT, RNO,
SJC, SLC, SMF, PDX, MSP, MCI,
MKE, SEA, DEN and SAN) may be
outsourced if they fall below 28 .....(Add ur flights up and see where you fall on 12/31/2011.)
weekly mainline jet departures on an .......(Why do they go from 56 at signing to 28 on 12/31/2011)
annualized basis. If any of these
stations are outsourced after January
1st 2011 the company will be required
to in source those stations where the
weekly jet departures increase to 49
on an annualized basis.

This above scenario is real for you if US merges with a dominant carrier in the above markets such as UA.......How long will that $19 last? 2 years?
Curent TWU contract provides no outsourcing

sonofsamsonite

DEN is a United hub.

 

[mike33]

DEN is a United hub.

so why do you suppose DEN is listed................

 

[roosterfish]

so why do you suppose DEN is listed................

I'm just sayin that DEN won't have a reason to weep because they wouldn't be outsourced right? ...If there was a merger with United, then there would be plenty of mainline flights.?

 

[rat tales]

Mr. Nelson

I'd like to ask you and you only, exactly how much experience you have negotiating contracts? You seem to have all the answers about Randy. Your carrier came out of bankruptcy with a bankruptcy plan that is based on it being a Low Cost Carrier. Also, your carrier engages in cost neutral bargaining which makes choices rather difficult in representing members. Do you negotiate more pay at risk of more layoffs? That's the reality. Randy has done an excellent job of preserving our membership. Your company offered $19 an hour a few weeks ago and if you think it should be higher than that then how many jobs is that worth to you? Do you even know what cost neutral negotiations are? Where is this leverage you keep talking about that Labor has in this environment?

Also, do you have enough experience to determine your company's financial health? Your company made almost $100 million dollars less this year than the previous year. Oil is at all-time record highs and we lost the grievance. You would have been wise to ratify the previous contract. The industry will consolidate this year, what's your plan for that? Do you think we should bleed your company at the negotiations table so that it can not attract the necessary investors ? If so then your company will fail.

How much experienced does Delaney have? His own members in Chicago don't like him. What's going to be the difference in having an experienced Randy Canale and an inexperienced Rich Delaney? Randy's experience brings more leverage to the table than Delaney. Your slate produced lies and this caught us off guard but your slate is now losing steam as many of those locals who voted for your slate are now asking if they can take back their nominations. We have been in touch with the Locals who have not nominated yet and I'm confident that they will all nominate Randy. We have informed them of your personal agenda of hatred of the IAM and also have made them aware that your slate is filled with members who all have personal District agendas even though they have not even served their Local membership. Tell the truth Tim.

Brickner,

Randy can't pitch anymore. He has a rubber arm. He does not know how to adapt to cost neutral bargaining. We want him out of the game before he loses the game for everyone. He is like the goof ball who keeps throwing money at the street wise guy running a shell game. "One more chance, I got this thing figgered out. The wife won't mind if I use the rent money because next time I will win big!"
Well, because of "Cheap Suits" we cant pay the rent.
After we were raped in BK, Randy had round II with United. Do you think he learned and adapted? No! Randy begged the United workers to quickly sign off on the first, or as he says "best" offer. The United boys threw it back at him knowing a BK judge wouldn't impose that kind of garbage. They were right!
He serves the membership. He does not serve up the membership. It is our right to ask him to leave.
You are so worried about bleeding the company but not worried about bleeding the workers. You are on the wrong side. We dont want you either.
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You too are the unions weakest link......GOOD BYE!