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Yup, an airline that was $150 million from liquidation in 2008 can surly have afforded bazillions in higher pilot costs along the way.Res Judicata said:
Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion
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Claxon said:
Apparently, others who are not involved in our dispute see truths which are self-evident. Like your true motives for declaring your independence from ALPA.
Posted 31 October 2013 - 07:34 PM
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Posted 31 October 2013 - 06:34 PM
It's a stretch to call the USAPA a "union." It gives the TWU at AA a run for its money in the category "has done the least to advance the interests of its members" (all its members, not just the US East pilots who formed it to avoid a binding arbitration result with which they disagreed).
The USAPA isn't a union.
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President's Message
Fellow Pilots,
Although there have been rumors of talks, we are pleased to finally have confirmation that US Airways, American and the Department of Justice have agreed to mediate their dispute. The three parties said they've agreed on a mediator, who will attempt to facilitate a settlement resolving the government's lawsuit to block the proposed merger. The trial is scheduled to start on November 25. You can subscribe to Merger in the Media on the USAPA website to stay up to date on the latest news regarding the talks.
Last Thursday, USAPA petitioned the Washington, DC Federal Court handling the DOJ antitrust case, to allow USAPA to file an Amicus brief. As you know, we are not a party to the lawsuit, but we certainly have a vested interest in its outcome. Therefore, we felt it would be important to tell the court our viewpoint on the merger and what it means to us if it is approved. We will let you know if and when our request is granted and of course, will share the brief with you at the time of filing.
Many may be wondering what will happen if the DOJ should prevail in their suit against the merger? Last week I had a telephone conversation with Harry Hoglander, Chairman of the National Mediation Board (NMB). During the call, I made it clear to the Chairman that when I met with him last year, it was my desire to establish a two track negotiation with US Airways. One for the merger and the MOU, and another for our own section 6 negotiations. My desire for a dual track negotiation was rejected at that time by the NMB who insisted we should support the merger as our best path forward. Although the Chairman and I believe that the merger will come to fruition, we agreed that we do need to consider alternatives. Therefore, I have a meeting scheduled with the NMB on November 21st with the intent to establish an immediate schedule for our own negotiations should the DOJ prevail in their efforts against the merger.
Youve heard quite a bit lately about iPads and their implementation into our flight decks. After much negotiation with the Company, your NAC has been charged with a resolution from the BPR and is working towards finalizing an acceptable agreement. We hope E-190 crews will see them soon and the rest of the fleet sometime after the first of the year.
Last Friday, the BPR and Officers, along with the Grievance Committee reviewed the Kasher Award and dissenting opinion regarding the 3% grievance, and evaluated our options. After hearing all the options, the BPR passed a resolution that will pursue action to vacate the Award in Federal Court in the Western District of Pennsylvania, which has a reputation of compelling parties to reach a resolution. Look for more details soon from the Grievance Committee.
In closing, thank you to those who wished me well during my down time for surgery. Im feeling much better and it was good getting back to work last week.
Regards,
Gary Hummel, President
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We'll add this to the pile of evidence we already have.
Nice recovery.
You've been a busy man since ducking Judge Silver's court.
Fellow Pilots,
Although there have been rumors of talks, we are pleased to finally have confirmation that US Airways, American and the Department of Justice have agreed to mediate their dispute. The three parties said they've agreed on a mediator, who will attempt to facilitate a settlement resolving the government's lawsuit to block the proposed merger. The trial is scheduled to start on November 25. You can subscribe to Merger in the Media on the USAPA website to stay up to date on the latest news regarding the talks.
Last Thursday, USAPA petitioned the Washington, DC Federal Court handling the DOJ antitrust case, to allow USAPA to file an Amicus brief. As you know, we are not a party to the lawsuit, but we certainly have a vested interest in its outcome. Therefore, we felt it would be important to tell the court our viewpoint on the merger and what it means to us if it is approved. We will let you know if and when our request is granted and of course, will share the brief with you at the time of filing.
Many may be wondering what will happen if the DOJ should prevail in their suit against the merger? Last week I had a telephone conversation with Harry Hoglander, Chairman of the National Mediation Board (NMB). During the call, I made it clear to the Chairman that when I met with him last year, it was my desire to establish a two track negotiation with US Airways. One for the merger and the MOU, and another for our own section 6 negotiations. My desire for a dual track negotiation was rejected at that time by the NMB who insisted we should support the merger as our best path forward. Although the Chairman and I believe that the merger will come to fruition, we agreed that we do need to consider alternatives. Therefore, I have a meeting scheduled with the NMB on November 21st with the intent to establish an immediate schedule for our own negotiations should the DOJ prevail in their efforts against the merger.
Youve heard quite a bit lately about iPads and their implementation into our flight decks. After much negotiation with the Company, your NAC has been charged with a resolution from the BPR and is working towards finalizing an acceptable agreement. We hope E-190 crews will see them soon and the rest of the fleet sometime after the first of the year.
Last Friday, the BPR and Officers, along with the Grievance Committee reviewed the Kasher Award and dissenting opinion regarding the 3% grievance, and evaluated our options. After hearing all the options, the BPR passed a resolution that will pursue action to vacate the Award in Federal Court in the Western District of Pennsylvania, which has a reputation of compelling parties to reach a resolution. Look for more details soon from the Grievance Committee.
In closing, thank you to those who wished me well during my down time for surgery. Im feeling much better and it was good getting back to work last week.
Regards,
Gary Hummel, President
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We'll add this to the pile of evidence we already have.
Nice recovery.
You've been a busy man since ducking Judge Silver's court.
It will be as impressive as the rest of your "we were duped!" evidence. You guys haven't listened to a word anyone but AOL has said for years, yet on the MOU you didn't actually read the MOU and you listened to USAPA's lawyers. Yeah, that's it.snapthis said:
"Judge, Judge! This east group is the biggest bunch of scabs, cheats and liars we have ever seen! But, they lied to us about the MOU!............... Oh."
Who is the real liar on this one snappy?
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False ID theft charges against 3 West pilots........unproven and thrown out.end_of_alpa said:
Malicious RICO suit against 18 pilots...................dismissed
You know what the term dismissed with prejudice means, Spanky?
"Prejudice is a legal term with different meanings when used in criminal, civil or common law. In general, an action taken with prejudice indicates misconduct on the part of the party who filed the claim and forbids that party from refiling the case, while without prejudice often refers to procedural problems where the party may refile."
Now about the claims that a West pilot mailed feces. I already dismissed this story after talking with Streble the USAPA treasurer who claims his daughter opened the mail. First what is she doing opening mail that is not addressed to her? Second, where are the results of the DNA tests which points a stinky finger at a West pilot.
It sounds like an East mafia style tactic which fits your collective lack of moral charter.
I'd say you guys are full of your own BS.
There's the joke, right there in the mirror.
snapthis said:
The court never stated the west pilot were innocent, they concluded it did not fall under the RICO.
"The Plaintiff’s (USAPA) Amended Complaint raises
serious allegations against the Defendants (america west pilots) ; it alleges acts of intimidation,
harassment, and other threatening behavior against the Plaintiff and its
members. While the Court has concluded that such actions do not come
within the purview of RICO, it may well be that a Court of appropriate
jurisdiction will conclude that such actions do constitute violations of state
law and that injunctive relief is warranted to prevent this type of conduct
from continuing."
http://cactus18.typepad.com/the_cactus_18/files/final.pdf
Did I miss Judge Silver's ruling?snapthis said:
I really don't care, I'm just frustrated with the BS-from both sides. I thought there was a lot of it on both sides after reading the transcripts, but you guys like to believe that your XXXX doesn't stink. It does. Koontz took the prize for BS, on the other hand I thought Holmes testimony to be the most honest. He said that he didn't like the language, tried to get it changed, couldn't yet told you all to vote for it anyway(he did leave out that the reason he had you guys vote for it was ripeness, hoping the judge would look at what you really agreed to). Look at you. Posting that Hummel lied, yet bragging that you got out from under 10h.
Integrity.
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Integrity indeed. Name the doc if you are up on the facts. Here's a clue.Pi brat said:
"Captain Hummel’s “declaration” purports to include detailed evidence of the
number of pilots eligible to vote (without providing who or where this information came
from) and the names of each West committee member, much of which is inaccurate and stale information. It is apparent that the recitation of this type of information is not
something Captain Hummel would have offered if he was on the witness stand. This is
an attempt by USAPA to supplement the record with information contained in documents which it neither admitted at trial nor produced in discovery. This information is also the type of evidence that could have been offered by any of the other USAPA officers –
Captain Bradford, Steve Smsyer or Rob Streble. Yet, USAPA chose not to call any of
these individuals and instead wait a week until after trial to attempt to include this
evidence via Captain Hummel’s declaration."
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