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Claxon said:
USAPA inherited the standoff.  west nic or nothing is the cause of their self-inflicted wounds.
If you want to throw blame around...um..it helps if you are not a scab!
 
Claxon said:
nonic4u, you seem to have trouble understanding the true example of who is the real scab, so I will educate you tonight.
 
america west went to Australia and scabed.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o.
Yes we all know about the Ansett strike and the Australia guys.

Now, we all know about usapa and the east scabs!

Get used to it, it has been over 20 years since the Ansett strike and you are still bringing it up.

So, get a clue, you are not going to live down the scab union experiment!
 
luvthe9 said:
Says the village idiot that can't spell "basement"
 
You got me. 😀
 
Did Bill McKee promise you DOH with APA and the $400 million left on the table if you make him head of USAPA? :lol:
 
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nic4us said:
Yes we all know about the Ansett strike and the Australia guys.

Now, we all know about usapa and the east scabs!

Get used to it, it has been over 20 years since the Ansett strike and you are still bringing it up.

So, get a clue, you are not going to live down the scab union experiment!
They are still bringing up Pearl Harbor and rightfully so, that was 50 years ago.  Does that bother you too scab.
 
http://scabsr.us/
 
nic4us said:
Yes we all know about the Ansett strike and the Australia guys.

 
And your scab heritage will be with you always from you Dan Cloud days to the future.
 
nic4us said:
Yes, 924 has his, but unlike his West counterpart, he does not have a group of scabs trying to steal it from him.

USAPA= SCAB
Steal what? You got NOTHING we want. Keep what you brought to the airline and enjoy PHX.
 
traderjake said:
 
You got me. 😀
 
Did Bill McKee promise you DOH with APA and the $400 million left on the table if you make him head of USAPA? :lol:
 
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No worries son, our four incumbents have been permanently neutered (no need for a recall now) and the NIC is long history, just a figment of the wests imagination.  And it seems the APA boys don't seem to have a problem with DOH with fences and C&R, nor do I.  Game over boys, thanks for playing.
 
luvthe9 said:
And it seems the APA boys don't seem to have a problem with DOH with fences and C&R, nor do I.  
 
It seems you're clueless as usual.
 
Is using "seem" twice in the same sentence a double negative? 😀   
 
 
From: GarlandJo@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:55 PM
To: U-Boston-Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Management's Trial Balloon?...Dead on Arrival
Page 1 of 3
4/11/2007
Herb Holland (AWA "U-Turn" private website editor, commentator, and critic) wrote:
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"U-Turn believes that the company’s final “final” will include a modest pay raise, but nowhere
close to our $165/$181/$190 demand of last November. We expect the rates to be two-tiered,
topping out at $149 and $156/hour. The 1 to 3.25 trip rig will most likely still be a part of the
proposal, but only if we accept 8:30 rest. There may actually be three rates, if you include the
E190 rates, from which we see little chance of the company increasing."
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All,
If this comes from Company sources, as Captain Holland states, then it's a trial balloon which
Management wants floated out to our pilot groups.
Let me help pop it for them:
1. Our 2007 ask is $125/$165/$181.50/$199.65 for top of scale Captain's pay for the E190, A320,
B757-767-A321, and A330 respectively, with F/O's top of scale being $85.38/$112.70/
$123.96/136.36, and a 5% pay raise for all categories in each year thereafter.
2. As JNC member (and now Chairman of ALPA International's Negotiating Committee) Donn
Butkovic stated at our recent BOS LEC Meeting, our pay proposals are both "reasonable and
obtainable."
3. If Management's May proposal is, as Captain Holland states, "two-tiered, topping out at
$149 and $156/hour," with "little chance" of an increase in current E190 rates, then for this Rep
their proposal is DOA.
This could be a long, hot summer.
See you on the Picket Line.
In Solidarity,
Garland
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U-Turn and the Company’s End Game
[Time draws near for us to brace ourselves for the final push by the company and
our MEC to get us to vote on a concessionary TA. The company is preparing a final
offer for our JNC on May 8/9. The two MECs will jointly discuss the company plan
during a special meeting scheduled for the following week in May. Here is what we
have heard at U-Turn. Our sources include the company, ALPA National, our own
MEC/JNC, and unofficial East and West sources as well.]
Starting with the last negotiating session, US Airways President and COO Scott
Kirby is making his presence known at the table. It appears that Jerry Glass is
taking a lesser role during the company’s final push. Perhaps Mr. Kirby has finally
realized that it may not be the Jet Stream that is totally responsible for our current
operational problems.
 
[We at U-Turn can’t emphasize enough that individual pilot action is a big no-no. If
you engage in your own brand of “self-help,” be prepared for the consequences.
Unauthorized, extra-curricular behavior makes you a target and a hostage. Not a
good choice. DON’T DO IT!]
 
Also on the personnel front, company scheduling guru and numbers man Tom
Chiodo is seeking other employment opportunities. In the polite vernacular, “he is
no longer with US.” It allegedly had to do with some costing numbers that were off
by a rather large factor of ten. Mike Finn seems to be on a shorter leash as the
company attempts a kinder, gentler approach, so to speak.
 
U-Turn believes that the company’s final “final” will include a modest pay raise, but
nowhere close to our $165/$181/$190 demand of last November. We expect the rates
to be two-tiered, topping out at $149 and $156/hour. The 1 to 3.25 trip rig will most
likely still be a part of the proposal, but only if we accept 8:30 rest. There may
actually be three rates, if you include the E190 rates, from which we see little chance
of the company increasing.
 
Per the MEC, the company’s final “final” will be presented on May 8th and 9th. The
company may even hold the sessions out here in PHX, granting the East their longdenied
contractual right to positive space travel. If that gesture proves to be the case,
then we’ve got to believe the company wants this TA approved by the MEC and
voted on by mid June.
 
We at U-Turn believe that the company is not going to be interested in a short two
or three-year contract. EXPECT THE MAX: the company will most likely propose
a five-year contract, with perhaps one 2.5% pay raise after three years.
Will the company be able to get an approval from the combined MECs to “endorse,
support and recommend” their final “Final” to their respective pilot groups? Never
underestimate the power of the carrot and the stick. The timing already smells of
new aircraft orders, the exotic Orient and expansion…if only you were willing to…
we would be willing to…
 
If the company’s supporters on our JNC have anything to say about it, the JNC will
put the hard sell on the MECs the week of May 15th. East negotiator Donn
Buttkovic is holding his own in defending 8:30 rest. He has managed to hold down
East objections with his arguments that 9:30 rest will make many fewer trips less
commutable…an argument that rings loud and clear back “East.” Color it the
“SOFT FUD” approach. No jobs lost, just days off lost.
 
In return for his work “on all our behalf,” Captain Buttkovic has picked up a few
kudos of his own along the way. He is a check airman (on hiatus, of course) and most
recently, he was tapped by ALPA President John Prater to be chairman of the
ALPA National Negotiating Committee. A suitable place for one whose negotiating
skills are obviously wasted merely negotiating with the company and which are
better suited in selling POSTAs nation-wide.
We are in the eleventh hour of negotiations. What we vote on will most likely be our
contract for the next five years or longer. But we as a union right here in Council
062 can stop that clock in its tracks. We can send the strongest message possible to
the company that we will not accept givebacks, concessions or remaining at the
bottom of the ALPA Pack.
It starts with your right as a rank and file union member to send the appeasers and
the concessionaires packing. Join us in supporting the RECALL of Captain Rep CJ
Szmal and First Officer Rep Mike Bendett. The balloting closes Tuesday morning.
Time to make a change and send a message to the company: NO CONCESSIONS!
Vote IN FAVOR of the recalls.

Herb Holland, for U-Turn
A large part of the west dfr claim is the East would not take the kirby.  The above west letter proves they did not want the kirby either.
 
N924PS said:
You would be a welcome guest at my retirement party.
 
As you would at mine 924. Manifest philosophical differences aside: We've been very lucky to have experienced a lifetime of flight, and that's worth celebration for any of us.
 
Seperate issue: You noted APA friends that aren't happy with DOH. I must observe the opposite from mine there, but we all befriend those of at least somewhat like minds.
 
nic4us (the drooling-baby "scab" blatherer): "....it has been over 20 years since the Ansett strike and you are still bringing it up."
Claxon said:
They are still bringing up Pearl Harbor and rightfully so, that was 50 years ago.  Does that bother you too scab.
 
http://scabsr.us/
 
I'm thinking 72 years now, and, without even the LEAST comparison meant to the Japanese attack of Dec 7th versus AWA scabs in Australia (one being deadly serious...the other just a few worthless azzholes proving themselves such) no one should Ever forget treachery.
 
Once scabs...Always scabs...Period!
 
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