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nevergiveup said:
But it is what the APA pilots (doh) seem to want. Wouldn't surprise me if it happens. Maybe a good thing, maybe a bad thing.
You may have a better pulse on what the American pilots as a whole want, I don't know. The pilots there I know don't want DOH when integrating with the east. I'm sure they'd like it with the west though. 🙂

Bean
 
luvthe9 said:
Patience son. Not as much as they have into the NIC.
It's not about my patience. DOH wouldn't hurt me that bad, because I'm junior. Either way you cut it I'll be towards the bottom. DOH would be completely unjust to our senior and mid-level pilots. You know, the senior guys (captains) that would go below your reserve FOs. Just because I'm junior doesn't mean I'd ever be ok with harming senior pilots. Hopefully when I'm senior one day, I'll feel the same way about protecting junior pilots.

Bean
 
nic4us said:
If you want to throw blame around...um..it helps if you are not a scab!
 
I've never, nor would ever scab, much less fly/scab an Ansett pilot's plane.....And "you'se"? 😉 Sorry lad, but you can't reinvent actual history to suit your dreams there, no more than "you'se" can ever be magically made into mighty "spartans" or "dire wolves"...No matter how hard you huff and puff. 🙂
 
Claxon said:
He almost got away with it. That only lasted until April 2008 when USAPA was voted in.   russ, johnny mac, mitch vasin,chris bebee and more had to clean out their alpa offices and sent back to reality. You can still see the brown on his nose.
 
http://cf.alpa.org/Internet/Meetings/BOD2006/elections/bios/Webber.htm
 
"....graduated from Montgomery College in Rockville, Maryland, with an associate degree." Is that actually offered up by way of any earnest credentials...or just as a joke? What say you prechill, as to to such awesome academic achievement?...And from only the very best school at that...? 😉 "We'se beez AWA, an' weez don' needs no steenkeeng university eddicashuns  an' Duh-greez!"...? "Hell...We'll take whatever's got a pulse!...Especially considering what we pay!"...? 🙂
 
Hey EASTus not only do we have T's, we have ties. Coming soon to a terminal near you. In honor of Your Honour..

Would you prefer delivery by dire wolves, spartans or st nic? :lol:
 
  Silver Bells
 
 
City sidewalks, busy sidewalks.
Dressed in holiday style
In the air
There's a feeling
of Christmas
Children laughing
People passing
Meeting smile after smile
and on every street corner you'll hear

Silver bells, silver bells
It's Christmas time in the city
Ring-a-ling, hear them sing
Soon it will be Christmas day

Strings of street lights
Even stop lights
Blink a bright red and green
As the shoppers rush
home with their treasures

Hear the snow crunch
See the kids bunch
This is Santa's big scene
And above all this bustle
You'll hear

Silver bells, silver bells
It's Christmas time in the city
Ring-a-ling, hear them sing
Soon it will be Christmas day
 
 
 
 
 
snapthis said:
Hey EASTus not only do we have T's, we have ties.   
 
 
Well...Learn how to tie and frikkin' wear them then. "You'se" might afterwards wish to then work on what ordered silverware's appropriate to employ at the dining table. Meanwhile?..."we have ties."..? Really?...To WHAT? The lowest possible demoninator in social "class" standards? 😉  Sigh! No matter.  I'll of course, very cheerfully acknowledge "you'se"...umm..."professionals" as being uncontestably cover boys for GQ, as fully demonstrated by "you'se" umm..."Cap'n Aux"...? 🙂 Sigh! "....graduated from .... with an associate degree."...Seriously? 🙂
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8H9smpK3U&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL5DCDEE4D2ADA2659
 
snapthis said:
Would you prefer delivery by dire wolves, spartans or st nic? :lol:
 
"You'se" "dire wolves, spartans" et al, are naught but wholesale jokes outside of "internet-tough-guy" BS, so don't even talk about "delivery". 🙂 cactusboy53: "This is sparta!....I'll let the courts do my my talking for me." 😉
 
"....graduated from Montgomery College in Rockville, Maryland, with an associate degree." Is that actually offered up by way of any earnest credentials...or just as a joke? What say you prechill, as to to such awesome academic achievement?...And from only the very best school at that...? 😉 "We'se beez AWA, an' weez don' needs no steenkeeng university eddicashuns  an' Duh-greez!"...? "Hell...We'll take whatever's got a pulse!...Especially considering what we pay!"...? 🙂
For a moment I thought you were reading my bio. Good ole Montgomery College would have been my alma mater but I hated school so deeply that I quit and finished my education in the school of hard knocks (general aviation). One of my classmates got hired by United with a private license in 1967...he quit MC and was out in Denver in the blink of an eye. Another classmate quit to work for a commuter, got hired by Brannif and when they went under I got him an interview with USair. Those were the days! More than once I thought I should go back and get a degree and then I realize....I still hate school!!

All the best,

Bob
 
nic4us said:
Yes we all know about the Ansett strike and the Australia guys.

Now, we all know about usapa and the east scabs!

Get used to it, it has been over 20 years since the Ansett strike and you are still bringing it up.

So, get a clue, you are not going to live down the scab union experiment!
nonic4u.. Once a scab... forever a scab...
 
N924PS said:
The A350 not ordered until 2007.

USAirways had only 9 A330s until post merger. 12 have been delivered since with a few more on the way. They wouldn't be here without the merger. Thus West pilots should have a share.
HEY PS.  ANY CHANCE YOU COULD GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT????  ANY CHANCE YOU COULD ADMIT TO.....BEING WRONG???
 
 
You SAID the 330's came AFTER the merger.  I was correcting you.  The rest came BECAUSE we had them on order before the merger.  
 
At NO TIME DID AWA EVER HAVE HOPES OF FLYING A330's NOR A350's.
 
Order positions before the merger (in May 2005) were CONVERTED to A350XWB orders AFTER the merger.
 
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/701345/000119312504040367/d10k.htm
"As of December 31, 2003, US Airways Group has 19 A320-family aircraft on firm order scheduled for delivery in the years 2007 through 2009. US Airways Group also has 10 A330-200 aircraft on firm order scheduled for delivery in the years 2007 through 2009."
 
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/701345/000119312505038926/d10k.htm#tx71940_23
"As of December 31, 2004, US Airways Group had 19 A320-family aircraft on firm order scheduled for delivery in the years 2007 through 2009. US Airways Group also had ten A330-200 aircraft on firm order scheduled for delivery in the years 2007 through 2009. On February 3, 2005, the Bankruptcy Court approved the Company’s agreement with Airbus providing for, among other things, delivery of the 19 A320-family aircraft in years 2008 through 2010, and delivery of the ten A330-200 aircraft in years 2008 through 2009."
 
 
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/701345/000095012406001200/p72019e10vk.htm#105
"AWA Flight Equipment
      In August 2004, AWA amended its aircraft purchase contract with AVSA S.A.R.L., an affiliate of Airbus Industrie, to acquire 22 Airbus A320 family aircraft (thirteen A320s and nine A319s), all powered by V2500 engines from International Aero Engines. Of the 22 aircraft, 18 will be purchased directly from the manufacturer and four have been leased under noncancelable leases from various lessors on aircraft delivered in 2005. In the context of this incremental order, AWA also secured extensive flexibility from Airbus with respect to its existing A318 order, allowing AWA to better react to market conditions by enabling it to amend its 15 A318 delivery positions to A319s and A320s, if it so desires, or to take no additional aircraft under certain conditions.
      On September 27, 2005, in connection with the merger, AWA amended its A320 family aircraft purchase contract with AVSA S.A.R.L., to reschedule 11 aircraft deliveries from 2006 and 2007 to 2009. All other terms remained unchanged.
      In 2005, AWA returned two 737-200, two 737-300 and four A320 aircraft. AWA renewed the leases on four 737-300s for four years, one A320 for three years and one 757 for one year. AWA took delivery of seven A320s, five of which were through the Airbus agreement. Three of these seven aircraft have new lease terms of five years; the other four have leases of twelve years. AWA also took deliveries of four A319 aircraft per the same Airbus agreement of which one has a lease term of five years and the other three have twelve-year leases. In 2006, AWA is expected to take deliveries of two more A319 aircraft and return eight 737-300s, two A320s and one 757. As of December 31, 2005, 48 aircraft have lease expirations prior to the end of 2008.
      AWA is a participant in the Civil Reserve Air Fleet, a voluntary program administered by the U.S. Air Force Air Mobility Command. The General Services Administration of the U.S. Government requires that airlines participate in Civil Reserve Air Fleet, if activated, in order to receive U.S. Government business. AWA’s present commitment to the Civil Reserve Air Fleet is to provide up to eight aircraft. Upon activation, AWA may also be obligated to provide up to 15% of the total fleet, up to a maximum of 19 aircraft, in support of military missions. AWA is reimbursed at compensatory rates when aircraft are activated under Civil Reserve Air Fleet. AWA is reimbursed during peacetime proportionally to its commitment.
US Airways Flight Equipment
      Prior to the merger, US Airways Group had 19 A320-family aircraft on firm order with Airbus scheduled for delivery in the years 2008 through 2010. US Airways Group also had ten A330-200 aircraft on firm order with Airbus scheduled for delivery in the years 2008 and 2009. In connection with the merger, on May 18, 2005, Airbus, US Airways Group, US Airways and AWA executed a Memorandum of Understanding that, in addition to providing for a $250 million line of credit from Airbus upon the satisfaction of various conditions precedent (including the completion of the merger and the emergence of US Airways from bankruptcy), provides for the rescheduling of US Airways’ A320-family and A330-200 delivery commitments, and an order for 20 A350 aircraft, for which Airbus has agreed to provide backstop financing for a substantial number of aircraft, subject to certain terms and conditions. Under the Airbus Memorandum of Understanding, US Airways’ A320-family aircraft will be rescheduled for delivery in 2009 and 2010, with US Airways’ A330-200 aircraft orders rescheduled for delivery in 2009 and 2010. The new A350 aircraft deliveries are currently scheduled to occur during the period 2011 through 2013. The Airbus MOU also modifies the cancellation rights on US Airways Group’s orders for the ten A330-200 aircraft provided that US Airways Group has met certain predelivery payment obligations under the A350 order. On September 27, 2005, upon emergence from bankruptcy and effective with the merger, US Airways Group, US Airways and AWA executed an A350 Purchase Agreement with AVSA S.A.R.L. and executed amendments to its existing Airbus purchase agreements to support and finalize the transactions called for in the Airbus MOU.
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-events-single/detail/us-airways-signs-on-with-airbus-for-fleet-renewal-airline-increases-order-for-a350-xwb-aircraft/
"The term sheet provisions for A350 XWB aircraft supersede and expand on an earlier US Airways order signed in 2005 for 20 of the original version of the A350 aircraft.  Airbus last December re-launched the aircraft as the A350 XWB (Xtra Wide Body), which immediately set the new standard in its class for passenger comfort, fuel efficiency and range."
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB118216558977438946
"US Airways, which announced its original order for A350s in May 2005, was a key customer for the first version, but has held off until now from committing to the redesigned model. Its reticence has prompted questions among other potential A350 buyers. Its willingness now to commit could unlock further orders for the plane."
 
Beancounter said:
It's not about my patience. DOH wouldn't hurt me that bad, because I'm junior. Either way you cut it I'll be towards the bottom. DOH would be completely unjust to our senior and mid-level pilots. You know, the senior guys (captains) that would go below your reserve FOs. Just because I'm junior doesn't mean I'd ever be ok with harming senior pilots. Hopefully when I'm senior one day, I'll feel the same way about protecting junior pilots.

Bean
If that's the case, then why have "new hire" pilots come in with a date of hire at the bottom?  Why can't the company have direct entry Captains?  I mean, explain to me why TIME is a factor that is unimportant or unfair to them but not to us?  Why should any of us use time as a measurement?  The FAA uses it for your ratings.  You get paid based on time.  I mean, really.  If time is unimportant than why have Company service pins?  Why have a seniority list at all based on TIME?  Why use age, for that matter.  Let the company hire the bulldozer construction worker in your area to fly the Airbus over you and your 5 years of TIME with the company.  You don't need a college degree, so why waste your money?
 
"WASHINGTON, Dec 7 (Reuters) - A U.S. Supreme Court justice on Saturday night denied a last-ditch effort by a group of consumers and travel agents to stop the merger of American Airlines and US Airways.
 
The application was denied by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the court's public information office said."
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-justice-denies-stay-051505795.html
 
end_of_alpa said:
 
HEY PS.  ANY CHANCE YOU COULD GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT????  ANY CHANCE YOU COULD ADMIT TO.....BEING WRONG???
 
 
You SAID the 330's came AFTER the merger.  I was correcting you.  The rest came BECAUSE we had them on order before the merger.  
 
At NO TIME DID AWA EVER HAVE HOPES OF FLYING A330's NOR A350's.
 
Order positions before the merger (in May 2005) were CONVERTED to A350XWB orders AFTER the merger.
 
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/701345/000119312504040367/d10k.htm
"As of December 31, 2003, US Airways Group has 19 A320-family aircraft on firm order scheduled for delivery in the years 2007 through 2009. US Airways Group also has 10 A330-200 aircraft on firm order scheduled for delivery in the years 2007 through 2009."
 
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/701345/000119312505038926/d10k.htm#tx71940_23
"As of December 31, 2004, US Airways Group had 19 A320-family aircraft on firm order scheduled for delivery in the years 2007 through 2009. US Airways Group also had ten A330-200 aircraft on firm order scheduled for delivery in the years 2007 through 2009. On February 3, 2005, the Bankruptcy Court approved the Company’s agreement with Airbus providing for, among other things, delivery of the 19 A320-family aircraft in years 2008 through 2010, and delivery of the ten A330-200 aircraft in years 2008 through 2009."
 
 
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/701345/000095012406001200/p72019e10vk.htm#105
"AWA Flight Equipment
      In August 2004, AWA amended its aircraft purchase contract with AVSA S.A.R.L., an affiliate of Airbus Industrie, to acquire 22 Airbus A320 family aircraft (thirteen A320s and nine A319s), all powered by V2500 engines from International Aero Engines. Of the 22 aircraft, 18 will be purchased directly from the manufacturer and four have been leased under noncancelable leases from various lessors on aircraft delivered in 2005. In the context of this incremental order, AWA also secured extensive flexibility from Airbus with respect to its existing A318 order, allowing AWA to better react to market conditions by enabling it to amend its 15 A318 delivery positions to A319s and A320s, if it so desires, or to take no additional aircraft under certain conditions.
      On September 27, 2005, in connection with the merger, AWA amended its A320 family aircraft purchase contract with AVSA S.A.R.L., to reschedule 11 aircraft deliveries from 2006 and 2007 to 2009. All other terms remained unchanged.
      In 2005, AWA returned two 737-200, two 737-300 and four A320 aircraft. AWA renewed the leases on four 737-300s for four years, one A320 for three years and one 757 for one year. AWA took delivery of seven A320s, five of which were through the Airbus agreement. Three of these seven aircraft have new lease terms of five years; the other four have leases of twelve years. AWA also took deliveries of four A319 aircraft per the same Airbus agreement of which one has a lease term of five years and the other three have twelve-year leases. In 2006, AWA is expected to take deliveries of two more A319 aircraft and return eight 737-300s, two A320s and one 757. As of December 31, 2005, 48 aircraft have lease expirations prior to the end of 2008.
      AWA is a participant in the Civil Reserve Air Fleet, a voluntary program administered by the U.S. Air Force Air Mobility Command. The General Services Administration of the U.S. Government requires that airlines participate in Civil Reserve Air Fleet, if activated, in order to receive U.S. Government business. AWA’s present commitment to the Civil Reserve Air Fleet is to provide up to eight aircraft. Upon activation, AWA may also be obligated to provide up to 15% of the total fleet, up to a maximum of 19 aircraft, in support of military missions. AWA is reimbursed at compensatory rates when aircraft are activated under Civil Reserve Air Fleet. AWA is reimbursed during peacetime proportionally to its commitment.
US Airways Flight Equipment
      Prior to the merger, US Airways Group had 19 A320-family aircraft on firm order with Airbus scheduled for delivery in the years 2008 through 2010. US Airways Group also had ten A330-200 aircraft on firm order with Airbus scheduled for delivery in the years 2008 and 2009. In connection with the merger, on May 18, 2005, Airbus, US Airways Group, US Airways and AWA executed a Memorandum of Understanding that, in addition to providing for a $250 million line of credit from Airbus upon the satisfaction of various conditions precedent (including the completion of the merger and the emergence of US Airways from bankruptcy), provides for the rescheduling of US Airways’ A320-family and A330-200 delivery commitments, and an order for 20 A350 aircraft, for which Airbus has agreed to provide backstop financing for a substantial number of aircraft, subject to certain terms and conditions. Under the Airbus Memorandum of Understanding, US Airways’ A320-family aircraft will be rescheduled for delivery in 2009 and 2010, with US Airways’ A330-200 aircraft orders rescheduled for delivery in 2009 and 2010. The new A350 aircraft deliveries are currently scheduled to occur during the period 2011 through 2013. The Airbus MOU also modifies the cancellation rights on US Airways Group’s orders for the ten A330-200 aircraft provided that US Airways Group has met certain predelivery payment obligations under the A350 order. On September 27, 2005, upon emergence from bankruptcy and effective with the merger, US Airways Group, US Airways and AWA executed an A350 Purchase Agreement with AVSA S.A.R.L. and executed amendments to its existing Airbus purchase agreements to support and finalize the transactions called for in the Airbus MOU.
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-events-single/detail/us-airways-signs-on-with-airbus-for-fleet-renewal-airline-increases-order-for-a350-xwb-aircraft/
"The term sheet provisions for A350 XWB aircraft supersede and expand on an earlier US Airways order signed in 2005 for 20 of the original version of the A350 aircraft.  Airbus last December re-launched the aircraft as the A350 XWB (Xtra Wide Body), which immediately set the new standard in its class for passenger comfort, fuel efficiency and range."
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB118216558977438946
"US Airways, which announced its original order for A350s in May 2005, was a key customer for the first version, but has held off until now from committing to the redesigned model. Its reticence has prompted questions among other potential A350 buyers. Its willingness now to commit could unlock further orders for the plane."
 
Don't bother with the facts, N924 is just angry we fought the NIC and cost him a quick raise.  Like Trader its all about "him."  So he feels the need to come here and question our morals.  There are enough West Class jerks doing that every day, so its not like we need our own stabbing us in the back. RR 
 
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