Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[3dtv]

It is working out VERY well.  Best crow I have ever eaten. RR (aka Joe S.)

Reed R is Mark K, he admitted it months ago NOT Joe anybody.

 

[Reed Richards]

Reed R is Mark K, he admitted it months ago NOT Joe anybody.

Yes!

 

[3dtv]

Personally I think everyone on the seniority list, regardless of status, at the effective date, should receive equal portions. That said I also respect the deliberative and authoritative process that was legally followed, and I wouldn't waste anytime or money whining about it. Fair is fair.

Why?
Why should a new hire share in a signing bonus??
The money is NOT to right previous wrongs, not back pay, not parity and not for those hired after the merger MOU was approved. It was an incentive to pass the MOU.

 

[Reed Richards]

Why?
Why should a new hire share in a signing bonus??
The money is NOT to right previous wrongs, not back pay, not parity and not for those hired after the merger MOU was approved. It was an incentive to pass the MOU.

[SIZE=10.5pt]Correct you are Sir!  And that is exactly why the BPR messed it up, way too complicated. Their resolution was so convoluted and open to challenge that it was a total screw up, and they spent about a day and a half doing that. Sad thing is there was already a perfectly logical and established protocol already in place, one that had passed muster before. But the BPR chose to be Solomon and split the baby, and here we are. Looking forward to APA.  RR[/SIZE]

 

[Claxon]

Reed R is Mark K, he admitted it months ago NOT Joe anybody.

If in fact if that is Mark, I am proud of him for the change he made in the airline industry.  The United and continental pilots seniorty has his bootprints all over it.  He showed much courage against all odds. 
 
Thank you Mark.

 

[PullUp]

Duly deliberated and voted upon. Done.
Sue if you want. When is USAPA going 'poof'?
Good luck wasting your money.
Cheers.

 

[Claxon]

What does Mark King and American Airlines Pilot union have in common?  They kicked alpa off their property.
 
"The next round of negotiations would be most interesting. The contract was amendable July 21, 1960. It would take over three years to accomplish. ALPA would not be the representing organization to sign it. They had thrown five of the AAL pilots out of that organization. The MEC and the vast majority, over 90% of the AAL pilot group, felt thrown out too."
 
http://alliedpilots.org/Public/AboutAPA/Background/apa_the_beginning.asp

 

[Reed Richards]

I am told Lee Seham's father represented the American pilots when they threw out ALPA.  I will research that rumor and get back to you all, if anyone even cares. RR

 

[Claxon]

I am told Lee Seham's father represented the American pilots when they threw out ALPA.  I will research that rumor and get back to you all, if anyone even cares. RR

Lee Seham's father, Mr. Marty Seham, helped former alpa president john prater,when he was starting the icap (independant association of continental pilots), when prater was with continental durning the scab years.
 
Notice praters name on the thank you letter to Mr. Marty Seham.
 
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9ToCwW-HX9E/TjkUNspN5TI/AAAAAAAAAHI/QcwqcHHHaSQ/s512/Prater%252520Letter.jpg

 

[Claxon]

I am told Lee Seham's father represented the American pilots when they threw out ALPA.  I will research that rumor and get back to you all, if anyone even cares. RR

If I may assist you sir.
 
"He served for decades as General Counsel to both the Allied Pilots Association (1963-92)"
 
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9803E2D9133AF937A25756C0A9609C8B63

 

[luvthe9]

Perhaps Bob never operated with the victim mentality, after all his career was saved days from having the rug pulled out from under it, then he got another 5 years at the top at the expense of others.
However, all we have ever heard from the rest of the east scabs is how they have been victimized. 911, senile arbitrators, biased judges, the company (and by company, I mean the company that saved their a$$) are all out to get the east pilots.
Oh, poor little east scabs, Mr Nicolau gave you a fair and equitable award, but it just did not make up for all the problems you brought yourselves, so you formed a SCAB union to steal it from others.

Nicky4 Whine. the Nic is slipping away.

 

[Phoenix]

Why?
Why should a new hire share in a signing bonus??
The money is NOT to right previous wrongs, not back pay, not parity and not for those hired after the merger MOU was approved. It was an incentive to pass the MOU.

I didn't say a new hire should get the bonus.  I said, IMHO, any pilot on the seniority list at the effective date of the bonus money, regardless of status, should get an equal portion.  But our BPR figured it out and had that authority, so its kinda moot now.  
 
If it was only an incentive to pass the MOU then perhaps none of the union members who voted "no" should be allowed to share in the benefits of a "yes" ratification.   They voted against it and many others didn't vote "yes" either because many didn't even have a right to vote on it at all due to issues out of their control, and others voluntarily were unable to vote on the MOU (non-MIGS, etc.).
 
I'll volunteer to hold the $40M in escrow (non-interest of course) and will then divide the money among all pilots who send me proof they voted "yes" on the MOU.   😀
 
See, we can think of all kinds of ways to divide the seniority list into divisive opposing groups, to get more for most of us at the expense of smaller portions of us.  

 

[Crzipilot]

I am told Lee Seham's father represented the American pilots when they threw out ALPA.  I will research that rumor and get back to you all, if anyone even cares. RR

 
 
he did...that was the start of their law firm.   Sehams father was APA attorney I believe for a number of years.  
 
The dirty little secret is Sehams law firm did alot of ALPO work when they didn't want to get dirty with the job....

 

[Crzipilot]

I didn't say a new hire should get the bonus.  I said, IMHO, any pilot on the seniority list at the effective date of the bonus money, regardless of status, should get an equal portion.  But our BPR figured it out and had that authority, so its kinda moot now.  
 
If it was only an incentive to pass the MOU then perhaps none of the union members who voted "no" should be allowed to share in the benefits of a "yes" ratification.   They voted against it and many others didn't vote "yes" either because many didn't even have a right to vote on it at all due to issues out of their control, and others voluntarily were unable to vote on the MOU (non-MIGS, etc.).
 
I'll volunteer to hold the $40M in escrow (non-interest of course) and will then divide the money among all pilots who send me proof they voted "yes" on the MOU.   😀
 
See, we can think of all kinds of ways to divide the seniority list into divisive opposing groups, to get more for most of us at the expense of smaller portions of us.  

 
 
Not complaining,   but under that same thought process....all the furloughed guys should have shared equal parts of all the stock options (davey dollars)   that were awarded through loa 93 or 91,  whichever.     don't remember if there was anything else the furloughed guys were excluded from

 

[Claxon]

Dear Mr. Lee Seham,
 
Thank you. You were correct from the start. The west victims did not listen to you then and they are still claiming victim status to date.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xO8PnZWWnE