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Along with the demise of this and the demise of that comes the demise of separate ops. We will all be working together in the not too distant future. Perhaps it's time to make a concerted effort at burying the axe now, so that a few of us don't end up burying the cockpit axe in someone's head later 🙂

A mental picture of prechillil and Claxon on the same pairing comes to mind 🙂

'84
 
nycbusdriver said:
Somehow I think you have the very misinformed notion that ALL east pilots will mourn the loss of US Airways and/or USAPA.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  As a former Piedmonster, it has been quite a nightmare since 1987 when Ed Colodny pulled the rug out from under us.  Many will be delighted to NOT have to retire as a US Airways pilot.
 
Surely, there are the original US Air people who will regret seeing the name go.  I understand that and honor those sentiments; I just do not share them.
 
I imagine the same goes for USAPA.  While it held much promise after managing to kick ALPA to the gutter, in many ways it has not lived up to the promise of a union responsible to the line pilots.  Rather, just like ALPA, it ended up more about "kingdom building" at HQ than most of us line pilots are comfortable with.  I am happy that I generally supported USAPA all along, but sorely disappointed with the shenanigans over the years.  I am quite comfortable becoming APA, and don't plan to look back.
 
You, Snap, would probably be dumfounded to know how many of us on the east side generally feel this way.  Don't look for us crying in our soup.  Find us by listening for the champagne corks.
A resounding "Ditto", well put..... Cant end soon enough
 
Monkee said:
Which of those three things are not true? Record profits, you still have a job, and you still have an airline. You drinking early today?
 
It looks like the AWAPPA party has started.
 
Cheers!
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How do you make a FUSAPAtini?:
-1 Part Arizona Ice Tea
-1 Part Texas Tea
-1 very RIPE olive
-A splash of (judge) Silver tequila
-Hold the Iceholes
 
:lol:
 
 
"Despite the divestitures, the new American is still expected to generate more than $1 billion in annual net synergies in 2015, as we estimated when the merger was announced in February."
 
Let all employees bear that in mind when next seated at any negotiating table...just sayin'....
 
 
snapthis said:
 
It looks like the AWAPPA party has started.
 
Cheers!
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How do you make a FUSAPAtini?:
-1 Part Arizona Ice Tea
-1 Part Texas Tea
-1 very RIPE olive
-A splash of (judge) Silver tequila
-Hold the Iceholes
 
:lol:
 
What? You guys can't afford any respectable champagne? 😉 No matter. This is a good day that'll hopefully improve everyone's lot here. 🙂
 
im back..!! said:
A resounding "Ditto", well put..... Cant end soon enough
 
You're back again. How's that Frontier, Indigo, HP prediction working out?
 
Do you know anything about diverstitures?
 
Look East towards DCA.
 
EastUS1 said:
What? You guys can't afford any respectable champagne? 🙂
I'm not into tini's or champagne.

I'm missing the party today. Gotta work. 🙄
 
snapthis said:
Statement from the company:
November 12, 2013

Dear American and US Airways Team Members,

Great news! We have settled the litigation brought by the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the State Attorneys General and we now expect to complete the merger of American Airlines and US Airways in December. We also have entered into a separate agreement with the Department of Transportation (DOT) regarding small community service from Washington Reagan National Airport (DCA).

Reaching these agreements was made possible by your support. From running two great airlines to reaching out to your local, state and federal representatives, your collective voice was heard. You said, “Let us Compete. Together,” and now we can begin to do just that. Thank you very much for all you did to ensure your voices were heard.

Under the terms of the settlement:
• The new American will divest 52 slot pairs at DCA and 17 slot pairs at New York LaGuardia Airport (LGA), as well as certain gates and related facilities to support service at those airports.
o Included are eight DCA slot pairs that American currently leases to JetBlue and five LGA slot pairs that American leases to Southwest.
o As a result, we expect the settlement to result in the new American operating 44 fewer DCA daily departures than the 290 that American and US Airways currently operate.
o At LGA, we will operate 12 fewer daily departures than the approximately 175 we collectively operate today.
• We will also divest two gates and related support facilities at each of Boston Logan International Airport, Chicago O’Hare International Airport, Dallas Love Field, Los Angeles International Airport, and Miami International Airport.

Despite the divestitures, the new American is still expected to generate more than $1 billion in annual net synergies in 2015, as we estimated when the merger was announced in February.

To ensure much of the service to small- and medium-sized markets from DCA is maintained, the new American has agreed with the DOT to use all of its DCA commuter slot pairs for service to these communities (DCA designates slots for either “commuter” or “mainline” use. Seventy-four of our slots are allocated to commuter slots, which mean they must be operated by aircraft with 76 seats or less). In addition, in the agreement with the state Attorneys General, the new American has agreed to maintain its hubs at CLT, DFW, JFK, LAX, MIA, ORD, PHL and PHX consistent with historical operations for a period of three years. With limited exceptions, for a period of five years the new American will continue to provide daily scheduled service from one or more of its hubs to each airport in each of the states involved in the original lawsuit that has scheduled daily service from either American or US Airways.

Fortunately, the divestitures required by the settlement are not expected to impact total employment at the new American. Certain airports may be affected as a result of the divestitures, but we will offer those employees opportunities elsewhere in the system. In addition, the reductions in DCA and LGA are expected to have little or no impact on mainline flying and will impact regional jet flying mostly done by contract partners and those regional jets will be deployed elsewhere in the new American’s network.

These divestures will require the new American to discontinue nonstop service from DCA to some destinations currently served. Those cities are not yet known, but as soon as those decisions are made, we will share it with you.

We still need to obtain approval of the settlements by the U.S. Bankruptcy Court and other closing approvals, but today’s agreements allow us to complete the merger next month and we wanted to pass along this outstanding news and our gratitude to all of you immediately. Thank you again – we look forward to celebrating the creation of the new American with all of you within a few weeks.
Does this mean the honeymoon has started? I wonder how many hours or days if will last?

Best to all

Bob
 
767one said:
Does this mean the honeymoon has started? I wonder how many hours or days if will last?Best to allBob
This shotgun wedding can't be any worse than the last one, Bob.

I'd hope....
 
Piedmont1984 said:
The USAPA experiment has reminded me of owning a boat. Two best days are the day you first get it and the day you get rid of It.
I think the USAPA fax machine and Streble's VM box willl be full of requests canceling DCO.

It seems Streble is a hard man to reach today.

I wonder why.....?
 
nycbusdriver said:
Somehow I think you have the very misinformed notion that ALL east pilots will mourn the loss of US Airways and/or USAPA.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  As a former Piedmonster, it has been quite a nightmare since 1987 when Ed Colodny pulled the rug out from under us.  Many will be delighted to NOT have to retire as a US Airways pilot.
 
Surely, there are the original US Air people who will regret seeing the name go.  I understand that and honor those sentiments; I just do not share them.
 
I imagine the same goes for USAPA.  While it held much promise after managing to kick ALPA to the gutter, in many ways it has not lived up to the promise of a union responsible to the line pilots.  Rather, just like ALPA, it ended up more about "kingdom building" at HQ than most of us line pilots are comfortable with.  I am happy that I generally supported USAPA all along, but sorely disappointed with the shenanigans over the years.  I am quite comfortable becoming APA, and don't plan to look back.
 
You, Snap, would probably be dumfounded to know how many of us on the east side generally feel this way.  Don't look for us crying in our soup.  Find us by listening for the champagne corks.
This is all call "buyers remorse" it blew up in your face and cost an unthinkable amount of money...now you sugar coat it. Sorry. We all know the truth!
 
Res Judicata said:
This is all call "buyers remorse" it blew up in your face and cost an unthinkable amount of money...now you sugar coat it. Sorry. We all know the truth!
I still like boats, so it's a love/hate relationship. Will only feel buyers remorse if I wake up and the Nic has been implemented.
 
Piedmont1984 said:
I still like boats, so it's a love/hate relationship. Will only feel buyers remorse if I wake up and the Nic has been implemented.
Nothing about DOH being denied?

So, we have lowered the bar a bit.

Diminished expectations.
 
prechilill said:
So, how are you east scabs doing today???  LOL
 
Nearly seven years with the scab union, no DOH and no contract.  Jeez you guys are idiots.  Truly the turds of the airline industry.  Now you are about to eat the Nic.
 
Yep, game over for you clowns... Thanks for voting in the Nic...
 
RIPE
What an AWA loser...
 
Boeing Driver
 
Res Judicata said:
This is all call "buyers remorse" it blew up in your face and cost an unthinkable amount of money...now you sugar coat it. Sorry. We all know the truth!
 
How very refreshing! You're seemingly as much a moron today as you evidently always have been. NYC, myself and the others are simply telling it like it is. It's your loss only, that you're (not surprisingly) wholly unable to comprehend that...but keep strokin' whatever fantasies you need. Think for a moment (if possible..the key word there being THINK). 🙂 What possible motive would any of us have for doing otherwise? Would it help you to just keep desperately imagining that this merger truly saddens any of us?...That our hearts, indeed our innermost, secret dreams, were set on sharing in the grand glory of naught but AWA? If so; have at it. 😉
 
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