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Reed Richards said:
I note that all said and done, in the end, it was a vote by our own reps that gave away our pensions. 
Exactly. 
 
ALPA didn't limit themselves to signing off on our pension give away.  ALPA gave away all of the major pensions and as far as I know there was never a membership vote anywhere on that issue.... unless one counts the NMB representational election (a membership vote was take, and as ALPA fetishists ofter chided the members in order to get them to participate by at least voting, "We are ALPA".... until we chose not to be. 🙂 )
 
nic4us said:
USAPA=SCAB

Have a nice day....oh, and try not to read the company filing from yesterday. We do not want any usapa scabs being lumped into your category of "should not be in a cockpit" , for what I assume is your notion that somebody will go postal.
 
 
You and the company have one thing in common.  Nothing new.  
 
The company has avoided their responsibility to negotiate with the union for years, and their latest filings are nothing new. Now they announce to the court that they have concluded their negotiating against the union, but their own filings reveal they are not.  
 
The company filings are a poorly veiled attempt to have their lawyers negotiate with the court to get something against USAPA that the company was unwilling to negotiate for at the negotiating table.   The company could have negotiated additional representation for the West to be included in the MOU, but they did not.  Now as part of a DFR, in which the company pretends to be neutral, they are attempting to piggy back a completely unrelated motion to have the court unilaterally alter a negotiated MOU (with prejudice), yet without justification related to USAPA's guilt or innocence of the DFR (that's about as intelligent as Marty saying, "without regard to the law").
 
This is a DFR trial.  If USairways wants a trial on the meaning and interpretation of the contract they negotiated and signed, then they should apply to have their own trial for that purpose.   
 
Que, discussions of "integrity matters" here.... :lol:
 
Phoenix said:
Exactly. 
 
ALPA didn't limit themselves to signing off on our pension give away.  ALPA gave away all of the major pensions and as far as I know there was never a membership vote anywhere on that issue.... unless one counts the NMB representational election (a membership vote was take, and as ALPA fetishists ofter chided the members in order to get them to participate by at least voting, "We are ALPA".... until we chose not to be. 🙂 )
 
West pilots
 
ALPA pilots
 
Mesa pilots.
 
Did you leave anybody out to blame for your failures?
 
Oh, you left out USAPA  :lol:
 
snapthis said:
 
West pilots
 
ALPA pilots
 
Mesa pilots.
 
Did you leave anybody out to blame for your failures?
 
Oh, you left out USAPA  :lol:
 
 
You laugh because you never had a pension to be given away by your reps, but you fail to blush that everyone knows you never had a pension. :lol:
 
Phoenix said:
 
 
You laugh because you never had a pension to be given away by your reps, but you fail to blush that everyone knows you never had a pension. :lol:
 
I'm laughing beause the class challenging the retro payout is growing.
 
You'll have to deal with another group besides Leonidas.
 
DC should have listened to JS.
 
Don't spend that money yet :lol:
 
snapthis said:
 
I'm laughing beause the class challenging the retro payout is growing.
 
You'll have to deal with another group besides Leonidas.
 
DC should have listened to JS.
 
Don't spend that money yet :lol:
Keep laughing. Or course you don't need the money, but some of you west buddies might. For them the bonus is a bigger component of the total dollar amount that is coming our way than it is for some of us on the east. So, they might delay everyone's payout AND hand a chunk of it to a bunch of lawyers. You guys seem fond of funding lawyers.
 
Pi brat said:
Keep laughing. Or course you don't need the money, but some of you west buddies might. For them the bonus is a bigger component of the total dollar amount that is coming our way than it is for some of us on the east. So, they might delay everyone's payout AND hand a chunk of it to a bunch of lawyers. You guys seem fond of funding lawyers.
USAPA is real good in activities which exposes the association to lawsuits yet it's the West pilots fault.

Bravo
 
snapthis said:
USAPA is real good in activities which exposes the association to lawsuits yet it's the West pilots fault.

Bravo
The West isn't at fault for anything.  They are just wrong.  🙂
 
end_of_alpa said:
Why is ANY pilot in this profession surprised at what West pilots do? They hate us, they'll do anything including sabotaging their own careers just to wreak revenge on East pilots. If the APA and ALPA pilots aren't following this they better. Because this kind of behavior WILL get worse. They'll probably have a special line in the airport TSA that frisks them and also a camera in the cockpit taping them. Why do you think the company has cameras in the crew rooms now? West pilots are the "Robert Fords" of the airline profession.
LOL!!! I love it. The "West" behavior...You fking scabs started a war you pathetic cowards can't handle. The ball is being stripped from your hands and there isn't a single thing you can do to stop it. We didn't start this war but we sure as schit are going to finish it and it will be my pleasure to shove your face in this pile of schit YOU SCABS CREATED for the rest of my career.
 
luvthe9 said:
The Nic is like the Confederate flag. Lost cause. It will wave in your face as a constant reminder of your loss.
Better read up on Sleep Apnea Tubby. The Feds are coming for you!! HA!!!
 
snapthis said:
USAPA is real good in activities which exposes the association to lawsuits yet it's the West pilots fault.

Bravo
You do know that USAPA formed a committee to study the issue and all the competing interest, right? And you do know that Johan, a west pilot, served on the committee, right? And you do know that there are no involuntary furloughed pilots here, right?
 
Phoenix said:
The West isn't at fault for anything.  They are just wrong.  🙂
A laugh a post. :lol:

How does it feel to be on Gilligan's Island? You guys are all alone. Enjoy the isolation.


US AIRWAYS CONTROVERTING STATEMENT OF FACTS CASE NO. 2:13-CV-00471-ROS

24 34. USAPA and its officers understand the obligations imposed by the duty of
25 fair representation and are committed to representing the entire pilot group effectively and
26 fairly. Hummel MSJ Decl., ¶¶ 18-19.
27 Response: First, this statement (even if found to be true by the Court) is
28 immaterial to the decision on US Airways motion for summary judgment, because it is
1 undisputed that, whatever the understandings and commitments of USAPA and its officers
2 may be, USAPA and its officers will not advocate for an unmodified Nicolau Award
3 seniority list as demanded by the West Pilots. Second, Plaintiffs dispute that USAPA and
4 its officers are committed to representing the entire pilot group effectively and fairly. For
5 example, Plaintiffs have stated: When USAPA officers campaign, they promise
6 unconditional support for date-of-hire and suppression of the Nicolau Award. (Plaintiffs
7 SOE [Doc. No. 259] at 4; see also id.at 2 (East Pilot BPR members regularly meet with
8 USAPAs merger counsel, Mr. Szymanski to discuss seniority issues out of the presence
9 of West Pilot members. USAPA provides no corresponding legal advice to the West
10 Pilots. And perhaps most importantly, its merger counsel, Mr. Szymanski, has long been
11 vigorously defending USAPAs asserted right to use whatever seniority list it wants to
12 integrate East and West Pilots and is leading the defense in this action.).

Respectfully submitted, Dated: November 18, 2013.
***
For OMelveny & Myers LLP
By: /s/ Robert A. Siegel
Robert A. Siegel (pro hac vice) Chris A. Hollinger (pro hac vice) 400 South Hope Street, Suite 1500 Los Angeles, CA 90071-2899
US Airways, Inc.
Karen Gillen, State Bar No. 018008 111 W. Rio Salado Parkway Tempe, AZ 85281
Attorneys for Intervenor US Airways, Inc.
 
Res Judicata said:
LOL!!! I love it. The "West" behavior...You fking scabs started a war you pathetic cowards can't handle. The ball is being stripped from your hands and there isn't a single thing you can do to stop it. We didn't start this war but we sure as schit are going to finish it and it will be my pleasure to shove your face in this pile of schit YOU SCABS CREATED for the rest of my career.
Unbelievable.
 
Res Judicata said:
Believe it Scab. HA!!!
How has the damage awards and your career advancement been going since army of lyingitas started protecting you.  This will not change for quite a few years. 
 
satire;
"Hey what is your route res jud?"
 
 
"Phoenix."
 
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