Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

 
The Wright brothers. That was the era of paper bidding and DOH.

 
 
So..."spartan" arrogance even presumes to trivialize and insult the very founders of powered flight now? Sigh! Why should I be at all surprised anymore? No matter, I suppose. It's been made fully evident by "you'se" attitudes that, if ever given the slightest opportunity, that "you'se" would demand to be magically made "senior" to Mssrs Orville and Wilbur Wright, if you could manage to do so. For myself; any trips to the National Air and Space Museum, with even a glimpse at the Wright Flyer, just for one, have always produced moments of reverent awe. Go back to your pathetic little cult and share some more "Tee Hee!...Aren't we just the cutest little darling babies ever?" moments. Aw heck...Just knock "you'se" selves out. Print up some more way-cool-dude T-shirts, shout out "This is sparta!", make some more "heroic" videos about purely fantasized "war" that "you'se" are supposed "soldiers" and even "knights" in,  and just have whatever fun you can with your infantile and assinine "thought" and behavior.
 
I'm long-past even hopefully imagining that "you'se" will ever grow up, but the notion's always worth at least suggesting.

 

[Claxon]

america west 2006 financial.
 
http://www.airlineinfo.com/form41/form41%201206/1206%20p2/america%20west%20p2.pdf

 

[Claxon]

west pilots tantrum after not being allowed to frog jump original USAirways East pilots with decades of more experience, how ironic.
 
"Sully is hated by (west) our pilot group and is seen as a false hero and exploited his status at the trial. If he and his fellow East pilots had integrity, they would have abided by their agreement to accept the seniority list. Nicolau was an arbitrator of their choice, FYI.
Finally, I included a court transcript about a story Sully told in court. Nobody who was in court believes a daughter would ask such a question. The West pilots had an ‘integrity matters’ campaign to counter their ‘seniority matters’ lanyards they were wearing with their ID badges.
I hope to ask Sully one day the meaning of the word….Integrity."
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/tag/america-west/

 

[Claxon]

west pilots, get back in line.  Learn from your elders.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih5CPeKl-Ds

 

[Claxon]

One American Airlines pilot opinion of Sully.
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2009/01/american-pilot-talks-about-her.html/

 

[Reed Richards]

One American Airlines pilot opinion of Sully.
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2009/01/american-pilot-talks-about-her.html/

One of the many highlights of USAPA was its response to the Hudson Landing as an orgnization. Remember, USAPA was less than a year old when the envent occored. I am still disgusted to think the West Class was making crank calls to the Safety Hotline. Imagine if they had actually shut USAPA down during the response to the accident. And as to one of my political mortal ememys, Cleary, I have to say what a fine job he did for us in LGA, as well as our LGA C/O rep and Lee Seham. RR

 

[767one]

Well Bob...as a man of Finnish heritage; you necessarily knew to expect at least some initial treachery from a Russkie beast. A break-in period was inevitable. 🙂

There was a period of time where I needed a small propane torch to heat up the solenoid and a hammer to whack said solenoid in oder to get Ivan started......eventually we came to an understanding and since then it has only taken the key to get Ivan to work.

Cheers,

Bob

 

[end_of_alpa]

I don't think the AA pilots have much to worry about.  DOH with good fences and an equitable distribution of new flying (incuding widebody) for several years should put their concerns to rest.  (Only the extremely rare whack-a-doodle on the east thinks he/she is entitled to immediately have a cockpit seat in a 777.)   If USAPA does the right thing, and agrees to fences around equipment and bases for at least 5-7 years, the AA pilots will never see one of those "senior F/Os" in one of their 777s, or checking crew mail in DFW or ORD, in numbers great enough to impact their own positions.

That would make sense, however it is problematic that IF fences were imposed with heavy US Airways retirements theoretically AMR pilots senior enough could be overwhelming restricted from heavy bids in favor of much artificially junior pilots on US Airways lists. Comparing the fleets with orders on Wikipedia (I'm too lazy to do heavy research so I'll just use wiki stats as an example comparison, but the 10-k is the accurate reference) it seems to me that the class aircraft numbers we fly versus theirs seem compatable to the numbers. We have A350 aircraft coming in three years just like their B787. If both merger committees do the proper due diligence and post something along the line of a moving graphic showing the various movement over time I don't believe that any path chosen will vary much from length of service if at all with conditions and restrictions.

 

[luvthe9]

One American Airlines pilot opinion of Sully.
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2009/01/american-pilot-talks-about-her.html/

According to Snappy, American Airlines pilots hold completely different opinions.
Of course Snappy likes to write fictional accounts about east pilots on a routine basis.
Snappy has a limited grasp of reality.
The truth is American probably rejected him and Res.

 

[luvthe9]

west pilots tantrum after not being allowed to frog jump original USAirways East pilots with decades of more experience, how ironic.
 
"Sully is hated by (west) our pilot group and is seen as a false hero and exploited his status at the trial. If he and his fellow East pilots had integrity, they would have abided by their agreement to accept the seniority list. Nicolau was an arbitrator of their choice, FYI.
Finally, I included a court transcript about a story Sully told in court. Nobody who was in court believes a daughter would ask such a question. The West pilots had an ‘integrity matters’ campaign to counter their ‘seniority matters’ lanyards they were wearing with their ID badges.
I hope to ask Sully one day the meaning of the word….Integrity."
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/tag/america-west/

That letter was most likely written by The former Cleardirect or Snap. They have brought this up numerous times.

 

[snapthis]

west pilots, get back in line.  Learn from your elders.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih5CPeKl-Ds

 
Since you don't represent the West pilots, how about minding your business, not ours.

 

[luvthe9]

Since you don't represent the West pilots, how about minding your business, not ours.

You West kids really come across so bad on this. Sullenberger did an amazing job, and you clowns have on numerous attempts tried to drag his rep down.
This is what the American pilots think of when they hear US Airways East.

 

[nycbusdriver]

According to Snappy, American Airlines pilots hold completely different opinions.
Of course Snappy likes to write fictional accounts about east pilots on a routine basis.
Snappy has a limited grasp of reality.
The truth is American probably rejected him and Res.

 
All is conjecture right now.  But soon APA and USAPA will sit down and present each other with various scenarios based on computer projections.  They may even present one showing what the Nicolau would do in the future...I hope they do.  
 
I think the APA will find that they are MUCH better off dealing with USAPA pilots DOH, rather than USAPA pilots Nicolau.  DOH is soon to be the gift that keeps on giving when it comes to the larger east USAPA group; Nicolau will simply present the APA with roadblocks to their own progress.
 
Twenty-five years ago, there was a somewhat similar merger situation.  In 1986(?), the much larger USAir purchased the much more senior (by DOH) Pacific Southwest Airlines.  The USAir MEC were big fans of slotting by equipment and seat at first, because the very senior PSA pilots would clobber them on DOH.  But then, before any SLI, USAir announced the purchase of Piedmont Airlines which had a similarly sized pilot group to USAir (and considerably larger than PSA).  But the Piedmont group was very junior to the USAir pilots by DOH.
 
The USAir MEC decided to bite the bullet, agree to DOH with the smaller PSA group and take the smaller setback in order to credibly push DOH with the more numerous, junior Piedmont pilots.   Originally a big fan of slotting, the USAir MEC changed their tune in order to position themselves advantageously when faced with SLI with two pilot groups with widely divergent DOH.
 
No doubt, APA will do the same.  And I find no fault in that.

 

[Reed Richards]

[SIZE=10.5pt]If the APA goes with DOH (or something honoring the principles of DOH) very intricate fences and restrictions can be crafted at the table, with reasonable time for vetting by both sides. Perhaps a solution can be reached that does not quite meet our expectations, leaving us all just a little unhappy,  but moving on.  In truth, you can only make the #1 guy totally happy, and even he still might be fretting about not having more years to enjoy his position. [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]J[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Arbitrators most often abhor complicated solutions, they work in broad strokes, perhaps only protecting (rather dealing with) one or two areas. Look at old man Nic, he was so lazy he only wrote language addressing the WB flying at U, but even threw that out the window with his age 65 proviso. So APA can work with USAPA, fence us all somewhat for 6 or 7 years, and most all their concerns are addressed. Or they can hand it to an arbitrator.  But then again, we may end up on a trip to SCOTUS to determine if a bargaining agent can be created out of thin air by an overreaching Company and Judge.  Delay is just fine with me. RR[/SIZE]
 
 

 

[snapthis]

You West kids really come across so bad on this. Sullenberger did an amazing job, and you clowns have on numerous attempts tried to drag his rep down.
This is what the American pilots think of when they hear US Airways East.

 
Sully's testimony had no bearing on the jury's decision in Addington did it? Where was he during the trial which just ended? He left USAPA and US Airways in the rearview mirror.
 
We'll most likely have our own reps for SLI so don't worry about the West "kids" we can take care of our interests on our own.
 
That's because your "union" disgusts our pilot group.
 
 
Here's a few examples....
 
 A section 29 letter!!! I guess all in bad standing should be aware!
Just sent email to be taken off dues check off.
SOB's
 
 
Yep, got mine also. For a little balance that THEY screwed up.... Sending a check, not a problem, douchebaggs... Canceling DCO also.



 
Was looking into that also, as I won't be giving them the extra $100... But the bal. owed does NOT include the reinst fee, so DON'T deduct $100 of you'll give em grounds for termination... Douche Bags!
 
We knew the letters were coming so I went ahead and paid the remainder that I knew I owed on the 19th via bill pay. It was received at (chaos headquarters) Uscaba today the 21st. Their section 29 warning letter mailed on the 19th I received it today the 21st. After doing their math, they owe me $95 with what I paid as the money and notice past each other in opposite directions in the mail. Question, what do I do now, as I have already sent the scabs their money through the regular route?

P.S. I really hate those guys...
 
Can we have a positve affirmation of the mentioned statement below? I do not know the scab constitution, but to (don't laugh) a refund it would be worth being in good standing.

good to know it might take ucrapa two or so months to get me off DCO, by then hope these mof's will be history.....
 
I hate these parasites. Found this little gem that describes the future of Uscaba - "Sphincters relax at death, possibly releasing fluids".
 
Uscaba reminds me of an STD that never, ever, ever goes away
 
This is total BS I can't believe airline pilots run a sh-tbag operation like this supposed joke of a union. Pure extortion.
 
WE WILL NEVER GET MONEY BACK from USCABA. TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. WE DON'T NEED ANY REPS WITH USCABA ANYMORE
 
I have fought and worked to maintain my bad standing with this "gang" and I will leave in bad standing. It's the one right I have in this sorry scam
 
Can't wait for our so called Union to completely disappear!
 
DCO finished.............Fcuk USAPA forever!!
 
But keep paying the extortion until APA takes over.
 
Even so, the one thing I will agree with you on: this merger will at least put an end to this bunch of crooks called USAPA
 
I hate these scumbags as much as the rest of you, but I will pay dues until AOL says otherwise
 
I will continue to play the game but when I want to pull the trigger and bail it will BE my timeline not these idiots...
 
I HATE getting anything from these clowns in the mail!
 
The checks go directly to the Bank not some USAPA flunky. Never been on DCO and never been fired
 
I would have serious reservations about going off DCO. However, seeing that the worthless douchebags (I'm actually really holding back here...).....I am willing to cut them a check through USAA BillPay in order to maintain control of my $$$ to the maximum extent possible in the immediate future. Screw 'em.
 
It is a grown adults decision how to pay those Scums Bags. I have never been on DCO.
 
I think we should start a contest!!! Creative writers start writing. USAPAs OBITURARY!!!!!(sp).
 
Like zombies, unconvinced of their death and still fighting to screw us with our own dues money.
 
I said it in another thread, if I were a lawyer I would take that case against USAPA, because the details would be EASY to prove that THEY'RE "seniority representation" is NOT OURS (west)  and therefore not conducive to "concluding representation" or closing down UPISSA.