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Reed Richards said:
That is but one of the reasons I stopped responding to his trivia.  His arguments simply do not reflect any logic, much less a knowledge of the law or respect for his fellow pilots that have actually stepped up for change.  Let me narrow my discussion.  Anyone that thinks Silver could rule either way is spot on with logic. Anyone that thinks there is a basis for the West Class to have a seat simply "because it seems right" are clueless and not paying attention. RR
You know, after making a complete fool of yourself with your merger prediction, based on your insipid superhero version of logic, you really need to STFU for awhile. You are one of the more arrogant and obnoxious posters here. And what's with the frequent use of large fonts? You think your posts are more important when you 'raise your voice'. Oh, and the phrase you were grasping for in last month's insult is not intellectual poser, but psuedo intellectual you cretin.

Speaking of dog analogies, why don't you go back to leg humping Claxon - and vice versa.
 
Piedmont1984 said:
You're a liar and your full of sh&t. I was probably sending money to USAPA before you were. I'll bet you're short and ugly too.
Be specific sir.  You called me a liar.  Elaborate please bravo dog, it is hard to hear what you have to say when your head is so far away from the front of your allowed personal space.
 
Piedmont1984 said:
You're a liar and your full of sh&t. I was probably sending money to USAPA before you were. I'll bet you're short and ugly too
This was your mistake when you helped out alpa,     shill.
 

US Airways Local Council 41 Put in Trusteeship
Executive Council votes unanimously to remove officers for failing to provide necessary support to ALPA

March 3, 2008

The Executive Council voted unanimously today to take “emergency corrective action” by placing Local Council 41 (US Airways, Philadelphia) into emergency trusteeship.
The vote terminates the terms of Capt. Eric Rowe, chairman and captain representative; Capt. Dave Ciabattoni, vice chairman and first officer representative; and Capt. Jim Portale, secretary-treasurer. ALPA President Capt. John Prater appointed Capt. Clyde Romero and Capt. Jack Lawrence (both members of Council 41) to serve as trustees of Council 41.
The president instructed the trustees to fully represent the pilots of Council 41 in all matters pertaining to their membership in ALPA. The US Airways MEC will continue to make all decisions concerning the affairs of the US Airways pilots.
Although no hearing is required at the Executive Council level, the Council offered the three former officers the opportunity, which they declined, to make a presentation, either in person or by telephone. A full hearing before the Executive Board will be held within 30 days to formally consider the charges and allow the three former officers to present their views.
The Executive Council found that the three local council officers demonstrated a pattern of support for a rival union in the upcoming NMB representation election, including distributing anti-ALPA communications through ALPA channels and failing to provide necessary support for ALPA in connection with the NMB representation election.
The president asked the three former officers specifically to confirm that they support ALPA in the representation election, that they oppose USAPA in the representation election, and that they will urge the Local Council 41 members to vote for ALPA. None of them would make such statements.
Why now?
Simply put, the Council 41 officers have consistently failed to confirm their support for ALPA in the upcoming election. When asked by Capt. Prater, the three officers failed to say that they stood behind their union and support a pro-ALPA vote.
Last Friday, Capt. Prater sent the three Local Council 41 officers a “Notice of Charges and of Executive Council Meeting to Consider Charges Pursuant to Article XIX, Section 1.D.” The Notice was the basis for emergency corrective action in the form of a trusteeship as provided in Article XIX, Section 1.D of the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws.
Capt. Prater requested the Local Council 41 officers send written statements to Vice-President Administration Capt. Bill Couette making clear their support for ALPA and opposition to USAPA in the NMB representation election, and their commitment to urge Local Council 41 pilots to vote for ALPA. While they did email a response to Capt. Couette, they failed to make the commitment to state their support for ALPA and against USAPA.
“Many of you have urged me to take this action for many months,” Prater wrote the Executive Board on Friday evening. “I had hoped that these three elected officers would stand up for their union. However, with the NMB representation election for US Airways pilots beginning on March 20, the stakes are too high for US Airways pilots—and the actions of these officers far too hurtful to our union—for me to delay further.”
 
Claxon said:
Be specific sir.  You called me a liar.  Elaborate please bravo dog, it is hard to hear what you have to say when your head is so far away from the front of your allowed personal space.
You are a liar, that means you lie. Prove that I am an ALPA shill, or accept the epithet. You are a coward, because you hide your identity from me. A true sign of a lower level canine.

Or did you want me to be specific about your stature and appearance? That was just an educated guess on my part. Prove otherwise, be specific.
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]To all my haters,  supporters, and simply readers alike, I apologize for my sometimes "large fonts." I am simply posting from different places and spell checking as best I can. To those of you that read anything else into that horrible and disgusting practice, I am deeply saddened. So sorry.  RR[/SIZE]
 
Claxon said:
This was your mistake when you helped out alpa,     shill.
 

US Airways Local Council 41 Put in TrusteeshipExecutive Council votes unanimously to remove officers for failing to provide necessary support to ALPA

March 3, 2008

The Executive Council voted unanimously today to take “emergency corrective action” by placing Local Council 41 (US Airways, Philadelphia) into emergency trusteeship.
The vote terminates the terms of Capt. Eric Rowe, chairman and captain representative; Capt. Dave Ciabattoni, vice chairman and first officer representative; and Capt. Jim Portale, secretary-treasurer. ALPA President Capt. John Prater appointed Capt. Clyde Romero and Capt. Jack Lawrence (both members of Council 41) to serve as trustees of Council 41.
The president instructed the trustees to fully represent the pilots of Council 41 in all matters pertaining to their membership in ALPA. The US Airways MEC will continue to make all decisions concerning the affairs of the US Airways pilots.
Although no hearing is required at the Executive Council level, the Council offered the three former officers the opportunity, which they declined, to make a presentation, either in person or by telephone. A full hearing before the Executive Board will be held within 30 days to formally consider the charges and allow the three former officers to present their views.
The Executive Council found that the three local council officers demonstrated a pattern of support for a rival union in the upcoming NMB representation election, including distributing anti-ALPA communications through ALPA channels and failing to provide necessary support for ALPA in connection with the NMB representation election.
The president asked the three former officers specifically to confirm that they support ALPA in the representation election, that they oppose USAPA in the representation election, and that they will urge the Local Council 41 members to vote for ALPA. None of them would make such statements.
Why now?
Simply put, the Council 41 officers have consistently failed to confirm their support for ALPA in the upcoming election. When asked by Capt. Prater, the three officers failed to say that they stood behind their union and support a pro-ALPA vote.
Last Friday, Capt. Prater sent the three Local Council 41 officers a “Notice of Charges and of Executive Council Meeting to Consider Charges Pursuant to Article XIX, Section 1.D.” The Notice was the basis for emergency corrective action in the form of a trusteeship as provided in Article XIX, Section 1.D of the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws.
Capt. Prater requested the Local Council 41 officers send written statements to Vice-President Administration Capt. Bill Couette making clear their support for ALPA and opposition to USAPA in the NMB representation election, and their commitment to urge Local Council 41 pilots to vote for ALPA. While they did email a response to Capt. Couette, they failed to make the commitment to state their support for ALPA and against USAPA.
“Many of you have urged me to take this action for many months,” Prater wrote the Executive Board on Friday evening. “I had hoped that these three elected officers would stand up for their union. However, with the NMB representation election for US Airways pilots beginning on March 20, the stakes are too high for US Airways pilots—and the actions of these officers far too hurtful to our union—for me to delay further.”
What has this got to do with me? Sorry, have to add stupid to the list Kleenex. You're losing it boy.
 
Piedmont1984 said:
I'll bet you're short and ugly too.
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I can help the little guy out with being short but he's on his on his own with ugly.
 
Claxon said:
This was your mistake when you helped out alpa,     shill.
 

US Airways Local Council 41 Put in TrusteeshipExecutive Council votes unanimously to remove officers for failing to provide necessary support to ALPA

March 3, 2008

The Executive Council voted unanimously today to take “emergency corrective action” by placing Local Council 41 (US Airways, Philadelphia) into emergency trusteeship.
The vote terminates the terms of Capt. Eric Rowe, chairman and captain representative; Capt. Dave Ciabattoni, vice chairman and first officer representative; and Capt. Jim Portale, secretary-treasurer. ALPA President Capt. John Prater appointed Capt. Clyde Romero and Capt. Jack Lawrence (both members of Council 41) to serve as trustees of Council 41.
The president instructed the trustees to fully represent the pilots of Council 41 in all matters pertaining to their membership in ALPA. The US Airways MEC will continue to make all decisions concerning the affairs of the US Airways pilots.
Although no hearing is required at the Executive Council level, the Council offered the three former officers the opportunity, which they declined, to make a presentation, either in person or by telephone. A full hearing before the Executive Board will be held within 30 days to formally consider the charges and allow the three former officers to present their views.
The Executive Council found that the three local council officers demonstrated a pattern of support for a rival union in the upcoming NMB representation election, including distributing anti-ALPA communications through ALPA channels and failing to provide necessary support for ALPA in connection with the NMB representation election.
The president asked the three former officers specifically to confirm that they support ALPA in the representation election, that they oppose USAPA in the representation election, and that they will urge the Local Council 41 members to vote for ALPA. None of them would make such statements.
Why now?
Simply put, the Council 41 officers have consistently failed to confirm their support for ALPA in the upcoming election. When asked by Capt. Prater, the three officers failed to say that they stood behind their union and support a pro-ALPA vote.
Last Friday, Capt. Prater sent the three Local Council 41 officers a “Notice of Charges and of Executive Council Meeting to Consider Charges Pursuant to Article XIX, Section 1.D.” The Notice was the basis for emergency corrective action in the form of a trusteeship as provided in Article XIX, Section 1.D of the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws.
Capt. Prater requested the Local Council 41 officers send written statements to Vice-President Administration Capt. Bill Couette making clear their support for ALPA and opposition to USAPA in the NMB representation election, and their commitment to urge Local Council 41 pilots to vote for ALPA. While they did email a response to Capt. Couette, they failed to make the commitment to state their support for ALPA and against USAPA.
“Many of you have urged me to take this action for many months,” Prater wrote the Executive Board on Friday evening. “I had hoped that these three elected officers would stand up for their union. However, with the NMB representation election for US Airways pilots beginning on March 20, the stakes are too high for US Airways pilots—and the actions of these officers far too hurtful to our union—for me to delay further.”
This was the ALPA move that got them launched off the property. There was no going back after this. You should have seen the idiots ALPA picked as their new leaders. The biggest zeros of the base.
 
Piedmont1984 said:
Like I said, just trying to predict what Silver will rule. Any legal corrections, admonitions or reversals from the 9th is the subject of the next installment of 'let's play legal expert'.

So I'll stick with 3 way. Like east said, Wake I at the AZ level didn't conform to RLA law either.
 
Three way is a fair guess, but how she actually gets there is a challenge.  
 
Wake's example is, in my mind, a warning to Silver, rather than an encouragement for her to follow any shared desire to help out the home team.  
 
Her own example in the DJ is the only thing I have to go on.   Though she was all over the place and inconsistent, in the conclusion she reluctantly sided with the law.  
 
 
MEC Chairman’s Message
 
January 26, 2008
 
This is MEC Chairman Jack Stephan with a Chairman's message to the pilots for Saturday, January 26th.
 
This past week, your union has been involved in several activities, addressing many issues that are of importance to you.
On Tuesday, the Council 90 officers held an informational meeting in Charlotte. This briefing was well attended, and it gave our pilots the chance to talk to the CLT reps, MEC Officers, ALPA staff and advisors, and several of our MEC committee chairmen. It also gave me the chance to talk to many pilots—both ALPA and USAPA supporters, face to face. It is always good to get our important issues right out on the table. As I have stated many times, I respect the right of pilots to choose their union representation. However, when making a decision that will have such far reaching effects on your pay, benefits, your working conditions, and ALPA’s current efforts to reach consensual modifications to the Nicolau Award that would survive future mergers, it's crucial that you receive and analyze all the information required in making the right decision. Too much is at stake to rely on rumors—you need the facts, and plenty of pilots were on hand Tuesday in CLT to get the facts and talk about your concerns.
 
Rumors are what lead me now to talk about some very serious misinformation that was recently posted on the US Airways pilots web board alleging that ALPA attorney Jeffrey Small had stated that if USAPA is voted in and the Nicolau Award has not been implemented, that the Nicolau Award will not survive.
This information is legally inaccurate and the subsequent web board posts have been very misleading. ALPA attorney Jeffrey Small not only denies ever making such a statement, he also states very clearly that:
“A change in union representation does not nullify or modify the Nicolau Award, regardless of which union serves as the bargaining representative.”
 
The most likely result if USAPA or any bargaining agent attempted negotiations with the Company to mitigate some of the effects of the Nicolau Award would be to secure some protective contract language; protective language that would some day be amendable. I’m sure you all share my skepticism over the permanency of any such contractual fixes. That is why the ALPA process is seeking consensual solutions with the AWA pilots that can be made a permanent part of the Award itself.
You can read what ALPA's legal counsel has to say about the renegotiation of seniority lists under the January 13th entry of What's New. It has also been emailed out to all pilots.
Also this week, as reported on the code-a-phone, the US Airways MEC three-man panel, made up of Garland Jones, Don Iorio, and Rocco Spartano, met with their AWA Steering Committee counterparts in Las Vegas and determined that sufficient common ground exists to continue discussions. With both Steering Committees agreeing upon protocols and rules of engagement, they have now agreed to meet in an extended negotiating lock–
down session that will begin next week for substantive discussions in order to address the
issues of importance to both pilot groups.
Relative to the Steering Committee, I would like to address some confusion that may
exist about previous MEC resolutions and how they relate to our current Steering
Committee activities. Our Negotiating Committee members, who are also JNC members,
are offering advice and support to the Steering Committee as is our Merger Committee.
To ensure that our Steering Committee is not restrained in any way during this process,
they enjoy full access to the expertise and technical knowledge of any and all of our
committees, including all of ALPA National’s resources. This process is simply too
important not to provide our Steering Committee with everything they need to arrive at a
solution.
If an agreement is reached by the two Steering Committees that results in a potential
comprehensive counter proposal to management, that proposal would first have to be
accepted by both MECs for JNC negotiations to resume. And consistent with our past
resolutions, that counterproposal would not only have to adequately address our issues
with the Nicolau Award, but parity and retroactive pay as well. If the proposal is found to
be acceptable, our MEC could then, through resolution, re-assign our Negotiating
Committee members back to JNC duties in order to engage in JNC negotiations with
management.
Later next week, AWA MEC Chairman John McIlvenna and I will send all AAA and
AWA pilots a letter that outlines the process both Steering Committees will be engaging
in and explains the communications protocols that both sides have already agreed to.
I'm pleased to say that both the AAA and AWA MECs are supporting this process, as is
ALPA National, both financially and through their considerable technical resources. With
the advent of these talks, we are entering an important stage for both pilot groups, and it's
necessary to give this process every chance to succeed. This may very well be our last
chance to address our seniority and contract concerns in a consensual manner.
Yesterday, MEC Vice Chairman, Kim Snider, met with ALPA’s Merger Policy Review
Committee. Kim spent a considerable amount of time detailing his experience with
mergers as well as explaining how current policy could be improved. The Committee has
also asked for my input and I will be meeting with them next month as well as attending a
meeting called by Captain Prater of the Chairmen of the largest MECs in ALPA to
discuss the current trends and events in industry consolidation.
There is no doubt that things could unfold rather quickly, so continue to look for the
latest information in the MEC code a phones, NewsDirects, Chairman's messages, and
Chairman's letters. We remain in uncharted waters but your MEC through many
meetings, long hours of hard work and debate, has taken great care to chart our course.
We are fully prepared and we ask that you stay informed and dismiss rumors for what
they are during this process.
As always, fly safe and thanks for listening.
 
 
MEC Chairman’s Message
 
February 8, 2008
 
This is MEC Chairman Jack Stephan with a chairman’s message to the pilots for Friday, February 08, 2008.
 
After nine days of talks between the US Airways and America West Steering Committees, the America West contingent has chosen to stand down talks. At this time they are not prepared to address seniority implementation issues, specifically, mitigating the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.
 
Recall that we met to determine if we had enough common ground between us on important issues to come up with a comprehensive counterproposal for both MECs to review. As we told you, this counterproposal would have to adequately address not only all open JNC issues, but more importantly for the AAA pilots, pay parity and seniority protection. We came to the neutral site at Wye River, MD with these goals in mind, and within these goals we developed certain thresholds needing to be achieved for the benefit of the US Airways pilots. Despite what you may have heard or read, none of that changed during the meeting.
 
While we respect what the AWA pilots were there to accomplish, the US Airways MEC’s position remains the same and our MEC’s Steering Committee members did not compromise that position. We never wavered from our goal of protecting you from the Nicolau Award, and our threshold for meeting those goals never changed.
 
I’ll be calling the MEC into session for a special meeting next week. While there is no comprehensive counterproposal to bring back to the MEC, they'll receive a briefing on the process, and I plan to add two other items to the agenda: developing a distribution methodology for 2007 Profit Sharing and Stock Options and to review an agreement extending the timeframe for filing disputes concerning flow-through issues.
 
The MEC will now review our options. Keep in mind that the odds of any plan we develop succeeding are greatly diminished by members of this MEC continuing to cower behind their fear of failure and seeking to sabotage any process we elect to pursue. You can see that all of the noise and accusations coming out of PHL Council 41 about the work of our Steering Committee was unfounded and disingenuous. When it came time to meet directly with our AWA counterparts, we did exactly what we said we would, AAA pilots working with AWA pilots trying to mitigate the damages of the Nicolau Award.
 
Excuses and alibis will not replace leadership. We made a promise, and we kept it. There was no cramdown, no end-run deal, no deal chasing and no back room conspiracies. I hope you did not fall for these contrived ideas spread in order to try and scare you. The majority of this MEC and your MEC officers are not afraid of failure. We said we were going to look under every stone to find solutions and we meant it. My only fear is that some of our MEC fear the search may actually produce something that would require
them to lead rather than criticize. I can tell you that the majority of your MEC was willing to continue the search. Although this process has not worked so far, we are no worse off for engaging in the exercise.
 
You would have been extremely proud of our team of pilots who met at the Wye River Conference Center. These are men of honor and integrity and they are most importantly, men of their word. Their commitment to the process and to you was rock solid. Threats and intimidation attempts by some minority disenchanted MEC members and paper tigers did not sway these men of honor from pursuing the direction that the majority of the MEC had set. They did their best trying to reach a solution to the Nicolau Award. At this time the AWA pilots are unwilling to address our seniority concerns. Again, we are no worse off for having engaged in this process. We remain right where we started and that is in separate operations with the West.
 
I thank you for your patience during the past few weeks. I know it’s been difficult. There will be other options at our disposal after the MEC gets the chance to strategize internally next week. While conditions and opportunities may change, the goal has not and our threshold for success has not. Our mission remains the same, to protect you from the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.
 
Thank you for listening. As always, fly safe and continue to look out for each other.
 
01/22/08 USAirways MEC
 
WHEREAS this September will mark two years since the merger between US Airways and America
West Airlines, and
WHEREAS US Airways management has benefited from scope relief granted by the US Airways pilots
allowing the use of the US Airways marketing identity on America West flights for nearly two years, and
WHEREAS there has been little substantial economic progress made during Joint Negotiations for both
pilot groups, and
WHEREAS there has been a disparity of pay between the pilot groups since the onset of the US Airways
and America West merger, and
WHEREAS this disparity between the two pilot groups has increased due to the recalling of US Airways
furloughed pilots that are not at top of scale, and
WHEREAS the America West Pilots received the support of the US Airways pilots in dealings with
management that culminated in the America West pilots successfully achieving substantial gains in the
areas of Defined Contribution Retirement Plan
and Corporate Profit Sharing Plan, and
WHEREAS since the US Airways and America West Merger, management has seen fit to grant other
employees pay and parity raises throughout the corporation, and

WHEREAS US Airways management continues to reward themselves with lucrative compensation
packages, and
WHEREAS the profits are reported separately for US Airways and America West by the company, and
they indicate an extreme disproportionate profit generated from the East operation resulting in East
profits disportionately funding items such as West profit sharing plans
, other employee raises and
executive compensation packages and
WHEREAS the Transition Agreement envisioned substantial progress being made by June of 2006, and
WHEREAS Management has intentionally manipulated the timeline and slowed the progress of the JNC
process, in particular during it's ill conceived hostile takeover attempt of Delta Airlines, and
WHEREAS during that failed Delta Airline Takeover attempt, management clearly promised that all
pilots would be brought up to the highest contract of the three pilot groups, and
WHEREAS CEO Doug Parker on July 26, 2007 during the 2nd Quarter Report publicly stated that US
Airways has already budgeted 122 million dollars for 2007 and beyond for the assumed cost of matching
US Airways pilots pay with America West pilot pay plus an additional three percent, and
WHEREAS also during this same public forum CEO Doug Parker declared that employees performing
the same work should be paid at the same level of pay, and
WHEREAS the expense of continued fruitless negotiation is not in the best interest of the US Airways
East pilots.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the AAA MEC immediately reassign our members of the JNC
back to Negotiating Committee duties, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that our members of the JNC will not reengage in Joint Contract
Negotiations until the US Airways Pilots are provided parity with our Brother and Sister pilots at
America West, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that parity is defined as pay as put forth to the company in our June 28th
proposal, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED That retro pay for all US Airways pilots will take affect starting
September 1, 2007, including a fair interest charge of 8% that will be calculated onto any future
agreements, and
THEREFORE BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that the US Airways MEC authorizes a media campaign,
including but not limited to informational picketing and other forms of lawful demonstrations, in order to
inform the traveling public of the un-American pay discrimination that the professional union pilots at US
Airways have been enduring for the last two years.

1/22/2008
Passes unanimous
 
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