Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

Was out flying when last domicile meeting was so did not get that info.
 
So are we going to have to track these differences and file for them?      I am assuming that due to the west pilots being changed to our payroll system that they are going to be dealing with 1/2 credit for DH etc now as well.

 
 
Yes, 1/2 credit for the West pilots when they are put on the East pay roll system...  Imagine the dilemma for them.... if the West argues the company needs to fix the East payroll computer system to allow the West to get their full DH pay, then they will effectively be arguing in favor of East pay parity.  Oh the humanity!    Even when it sucks its funny!

 

[Phoenix]

All these provisions that should be effective, but will instead be delayed by the company, such as vacation, DH, etc. - can be taken care of in the interim by paying us the difference, QED. This was discussed at the last domicile meeting when the NAC made their presentation. If the company can't implement - then pay the difference.

Task the NAC, contact your reps.

Sorry, but the vacation language is clear.  The company is not cheating on the vacation.  They negotiated that little gem when they put it in the Green Book and punked us at USAir.  I agree the company should have given us full vacation after POR, but sadly we didn't get that in the MOU.  Its the way it is.  We can't expect the company to give us anything we didn't even ask for.  (They would not have given us back pay if we hadn't asked for it, either.)  There are any number of things that we don't have because we didn't ask.  Water under the bridge.  
 
Fair is what we voted for.  Buyer beware..... (and by the way, the same goes for the 2005 TA, that went bye bye 🙂 )
 
Don't get me wrong.  The company owes us everything in the MOU.  But nothing more... and vice versa.  

 

[Piedmont1984]

Sorry, but the vacation language is clear.  The company is not cheating on the vacation.  They negotiated that little gem when they put it in the Green Book and punked us at USAir.  I agree the company should have given us full vacation after POR, but sadly we didn't get that in the MOU.  Its the way it is.  We can't expect the company to give us anything we didn't even ask for.  (They would not have given us back pay if we hadn't asked for it, either.)  There are any number of things that we don't have because we didn't ask.  Water under the bridge.  
 
Fair is what we voted for.  Buyer beware..... (and by the way, the same goes for the 2005 TA, that went bye bye 🙂 )
 
Don't get me wrong.  The company owes us everything in the MOU.  But nothing more... and vice versa.

The MOU para 3 and 23 address pay and vacation. Vague language works both ways. We should be paid equal to our counterparts at the New American. Vacation has value/cost. Can't give us the days then show us the money.

 

[Phoenix]

The MOU para 3 and 23 address pay and vacation. Vague language works both ways. We should be paid equal to our counterparts at the New American. Vacation has value/cost. Can't give us the days then show us the money.

The MOU addresses vacation accrual.  We voted for.  We didn't ask for anything different.  

 

[Crzipilot]

How 'bout Monday morning,  and the fences come down from east/west metal.   will this mean we could see east/west crews comingling?!??!
 
'bout to get interesting.

 

[Piedmont1984]

The MOU addresses vacation accrual.  We voted for.  We didn't ask for anything different.

If vacation has monetary value, then what should the company do to bring us to parity with our AA counterparts, or even the west pilots in terms of total pay?

I know what you're saying. The NAC is right now having ongoing discussions with the company on the implementation/interpretation of the MOU. So let them ask.

 

[PullUp]

Doesn't the MOU say something to the effect that items that are not immediately implementable will stay status quo until implemented?

 

[Piedmont1984]

Doesn't the MOU say something to the effect that items that are not immediately implementable will stay status quo until implemented?

If 31 days of vacation is not implementable in 2014, cutting a check for the difference surely is. And who decides what provision can or cannot be implemented (rhetorical question)?

 

[Phoenix]

If vacation has monetary value, then what should the company do to bring us to parity with our AA counterparts, or even the west pilots in terms of total pay?

I know what you're saying. The NAC is right now having ongoing discussions with the company on the implementation/interpretation of the MOU. So let them ask.

 

Sure they can ask.  The company will tell them we have equal vacation accrual at the POR, just like we voted for.  Don't get me wrong.  We should demand every obligation under the MOU, but we shouldn't waste time fighting things we think should have been in the MOU.  The folks working on the JCBA should learn from the mistakes on the MOU and do better.  IMHO.  

 

[Piedmont1984]

Sure they can ask.  The company will tell them we have equal vacation accrual at the POR, just like we voted for.  Don't get me wrong.  We should demand every obligation under the MOU, but we shouldn't waste time fighting things we think should have been in the MOU.  The folks working on the JCBA should learn from the mistakes on the MOU and do better.  IMHO.

Fair enough. I'll just end by saying, I for one don't know with any degree of exactitude what is and is not in the MOU.

 

[PullUp]

If you haven't been to work, the  Merger Transition Agreement QRG bulletin is available on wings. It's 24 pages long. Go to wings>flt operations>electronic library>FOM drop down menu for bulletins. 19-13
 
When you read it let me know what you think I'll get paid for CQT in January. ;-) It says training it TBD, but goal for January. It looks to me like some is pay and credit and some pay. They don't use the term pay no credit, but an AA pilot told me it is if you go on your days off, but they try not to schedule you on your days off like we do.
 
Going to be an interesting year, but then again it hasn't been boring for a while.

Thanks for the info. Downloaded, printed, read, and highlighted. 
Sounds to me like everything not 'implemented' remains status quo. 
The training thing hasn't been implemented, but when it is, it looks like 4 hours of pay and 2:45 of credit/day for lineholders and 4:03 pay/2:45 credit for reserves.
Did anyone see the provision for 'double-occupancy' rooms when they can't find hotel rooms for $65 or less? How do you spell "fatigued" due to your fellow pilot's snoring?!
And another thought: What if your 'roomie' is of the opposite sex?
Cheers.

 

[nycbusdriver]

So I'm assuming the company will need more check airmen. Otherwise the existing ones will be working berry berry hard.

 
Not really.  AA uses sim instructors, but they are not on the seniority list, they don't fly airplanes, nor do they ever give any type of check ride.  Often they are retired AA pilots (which could be a good deal for current check airmen coming up on age 65, or even those who have already retired.)  I imagine it will be super easy to fill any sim instructor slot from the cadre of retirees who have no other identity than that of airline person.  IMHO, it will save some lives!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Since its always "about me" 

 
What???  I thought it was always "about me!"

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
Yes,  Kudos to the union reps (all of them, not just the ones that got along with management 😀 ) for negotiating something better than what we had. 
 
And now that we have a contract, a pox upon any company stiff that steals more from the employees while hiding behind Obama Care Website type excuses of "its hard".   I think there will be millions to be made selling voodoo doll action figures (err, I mean inaction figures)!  

 
Do we have a contract?  Isn't it still a Transition Agreement?   :huh:

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
Did anyone see the provision for 'double-occupancy' rooms when they can't find hotel rooms for $65 or less? How do you spell "fatigued" due to your fellow pilot's snoring?!
 

 
 
Is that really in there?  What are they smoking when they thought that one up?