Whoa! Seriously!? Is this indeed all true as stated? My immediate response is one of shocked incredulity/Ya' gotta' be kidding/etc. This is the type info I'm interested in seeing to have a better clue of WTF's going on here from either/both sides of the issues, as I'd think would be true for most people.Reed Richards said:
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Looks like the control freak is coming unglued tonight. 44 percent of my base PHL voted against this pos MOU. I am surprised you haven't been able to control the BPR to your satisfaction.
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"[SIZE=10.5pt]They also want to give the West Class a seat at the table in the dissolution of USAPA." Is that the true case here? If so...well...I'd like Hummel gone, but handing out a seat to the west at this point's purely INSANE, and would completely kill ANY chance for a negotiated, versus arbitrated melding with the APA people. [/SIZE]
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I have no idea. I do not participate any longer.
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As it stands now, the elected at large (not local) criminals Hummel, Bradford, Streble, and Smyser will control the USAPA moneys after the union is de-certified. Of course there will still be "reps" however APA decides to proceed (and note, if we have a friendly merger of unions, with a vote, we will have a say. If we act like idiots APA will "fire" our reps and have new elections.)
DiOrio, Frear, and the ultimate traitor who "just wants to be the party guy everyone likes" John Taylor want to let the West Class in on the deal. I honestly just think they are stupid, not even thinking of the ramifications of letting the BPR run the show. But go ahead, change the CBL to roll call vote. And then give Eric and his friends inside knowledge and participation in our finances as they continue to sue us even after the union is only a organization, and not the bargaining agent. The number one guys really supporting the West participation are PHL pilots Dave Sye and Bill Glynn, political outcasts and notorious mal contents and throwers of all things feces. And Sye even brags about not participating in his own union.
Resolution regarding the Dissolution of USAPA
WHEREAS Section III- DURATION AND/OR DISSOLUTION Paragraphs A and C Constitution indicates that National Officers shall make a determination as to whether existing circumstances present, or may present in the future, the need for collective legal action on behalf of the pilot group, including, but not limited to, representation in seniority integration proceedings, and;
WHEREAS the pilots strongly believe that the duration and dissolution decisions should rest with the Board of Pilot Representatives (BPR).
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the pilots propose to amend Section III of the Constitution to reflect a change to insure the BPR makes this determination.
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DiOrio, Frear, and the ultimate traitor who "just wants to be the party guy everyone likes" John Taylor want to let the West Class in on the deal. I honestly just think they are stupid, not even thinking of the ramifications of letting the BPR run the show. But go ahead, change the CBL to roll call vote. And then give Eric and his friends inside knowledge and participation in our finances as they continue to sue us even after the union is only a organization, and not the bargaining agent. The number one guys really supporting the West participation are PHL pilots Dave Sye and Bill Glynn, political outcasts and notorious mal contents and throwers of all things feces. And Sye even brags about not participating in his own union.
Resolution regarding the Dissolution of USAPA
WHEREAS Section III- DURATION AND/OR DISSOLUTION Paragraphs A and C Constitution indicates that National Officers shall make a determination as to whether existing circumstances present, or may present in the future, the need for collective legal action on behalf of the pilot group, including, but not limited to, representation in seniority integration proceedings, and;
WHEREAS the pilots strongly believe that the duration and dissolution decisions should rest with the Board of Pilot Representatives (BPR).
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the pilots propose to amend Section III of the Constitution to reflect a change to insure the BPR makes this determination.
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To be clear, the Reps yesterday voted to send out a change to the CBL that would give the West Class MORE power at the voting table, and even allow them inside particaption in USAPA AFTER it is decertified. What are these idiots smoking? RR
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King you have lost it. Time for you to get some rest. Tell Steve I said to say hello. Wow!
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I cannot believe you are bragging about a vote that does not exceed 50%. Dave Ciabattoni gave a reasoned and forceful arguement to the PHL pilots that pursuit of COC and Code Share through the grievence process would prevail and give 75% of the East a raise and NONE of the 190 pilots or the West anything. In fear of losing, he accused the very collegues and fellow pilots he worked with at the union, who him a FULL and unrestricted voice, of being "on the take." Yeah, he got part of PHL to agree, but no where near a majority. He turned out to be a real jerk, just like Sye and Glynn. And 75% of our pilots knew better, espcially after NOT cashing their LOA 93 pay resoration paychecks, much less the 3% monies. RR
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You are mistaken, I am Dave Sye. RR
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Melt down in process. Get some help big guy.
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[SIZE=10.5pt]Okay, since I am having a meltdown, let me boil down my assertions (and then go to bed, early departure!)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]1) Some of the Reps made a deal with PHX, that if they supported the recall of Hummel they would also recall Bradford.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]2) The Reps by majority propose a CBL change using roll call that gives the West more voting power.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]3) The Reps by majority propose a CBL change that gives the BPR (and thus also the West) instead of the Officers control of the union after NMB certification of APA.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Ignore, or enjoy, my personal attacks and discuss among yourselves. RR, gone on Dec 30.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]1) Some of the Reps made a deal with PHX, that if they supported the recall of Hummel they would also recall Bradford.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]2) The Reps by majority propose a CBL change using roll call that gives the West more voting power.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]3) The Reps by majority propose a CBL change that gives the BPR (and thus also the West) instead of the Officers control of the union after NMB certification of APA.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Ignore, or enjoy, my personal attacks and discuss among yourselves. RR, gone on Dec 30.[/SIZE]
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"The merger is dead. There is NO WAY IT WILL EVER HAPPEN."EastUS1 said:
There are only two people I would trust to always tell the truth...only because they have no ability to think beyond their immediate emotion... Nic4Us and Res J.... Do what ever they hate most.
ALL others are unreliable, even if they/we don't know it, or worse yet they/we do.
Bottom line. If it was not for the following pilot, and a few more good men, you would not be here discussing this. US Airways pilots would have been furlough fodder of a united airlines merger. Steve was the man. hummel needs his ass kicked out.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/business/27pilots.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/business/27pilots.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Pssst... Did you hear the folks that want to kick Hummel to the curb secretly salivate over the Nic. No it's true. Really, they wouldn't be opposed to the Nic if the compensation is enough. Wink. Wink. Pass it on. A recall equals the Mickey. I mean the Nickey.... It makes so much sense, because if we could get Hummel out then we could finally give the Nic to the West. Just think of what we can get for ourself if we give them the Nic. The sky is the limit for us. It's our biggest point of leverage (the Nic)... Even way more beneficial than CoC ever was. This might be our last best hope to cash in our Nic chip.Claxon said:
The sky is the limit!! Recall now.
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