Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

 
To this day you don't understand why we don't have a pension, no surprise there.
 
I'll give you a hint, John Davis got his lump sum.
 
From the Inside of the Ring of Fire By Former PIT LEC Captain ...

Now TIM BAKER, voted away the pension after he was already hired at "JET BLUE" that TIM BAKER?

 

[Phoenix]

Now TIM BAKER, voted away the pension after he was already hired at "JET BLUE" that TIM BAKER?

 
 
Take it easy on him MM.  He may have been at Jet Blue.. He may have voted to give up our pension.  ... but he did wish us "good luck".  
 
And don't forget Tim B. was making tens of thousands more than pilots at USAIr or America West and he didn't even have a union.  No union... :blink: And the poor West pilots have been sending in money for basically for 2 unions.   Tim was a lucky guy.
 
 
 
I wish you and my former colleagues nothing but success. I realize that the challenges you are
facing are great. Good luck to you in the future.
 
Fraternally,
Tim Baker

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

 
 
Take it easy on him MM.  He may have been at Jet Blue.. He may have voted to give up our pension.  ... but he did wish us "good luck".  
 
And don't forget Tim B. was making tens of thousands more than pilots at USAIr or America West and he didn't even have a union.  No union... :blink: And the poor West pilots have been sending in money for basically for 2 unions.   Tim was a lucky guy.
 
 
 
I wish you and my former colleagues nothing but success. I realize that the challenges you are
facing are great. Good luck to you in the future.
 
Fraternally,
Tim Baker

Sorry your correct but what is even more hilarious is this statement" Everyone knew he would only make it so far when his sick time ran out." So you appoint yourself to "DECIDE" what is best for the rest of us ? Narcissistic at best, OBTW, if I spelled it wrong Piedmont 84 will be glad to point it out since his measure of intelligence seems to be in writing skills!

 

[Bill Brasky]

You guys are SO misinformed it's ridiculous. Baker isn't at JetBlue, he went to Airtran. He even helped to get them into ALPA before they were bought by Southwest.

You know who ABSOLUTELY wasn't involved in any of your pension crap? Gary, that's who. The other union nitwits? I wouldn't count them out. I have to agree with trader here. Anybody pressing for a recall tight now is an idiot, plain and simple. Look for the recall to fail miserably and a recall of the reps involved to commence post haste.

I could give a crap whether Gary is on sick leave or not, as long as he's doing his job, which he appears to be. Any of the other clowns that tried and didn't get elected that are now trying to use his condition to gain political clout for themselves wouldn't be flying either if they had gotten the job. They should be ashamed of themselves for even trying this stupid stunt.

Don't believe a word you read on this idiotic forum. The three or four guys on here seem to have their own agenda, and are either just plain stupid or fabricate stories to suit their needs.

 

[3dtv]

What if?, What if?, What happens when this group actually reads those "EMAILS", those DC reps will be the be the BENEDICT ARNOLDS of the EAST and are all ready the laughing stock of the WEST, !

Stop drinking Jamie. The only TRAITORS are Diorio and his blind vice chairs and CLT rep fools who played right into the hand of the NIC loving west.

 

[767one]

Now TIM BAKER, voted away the pension after he was already hired at "JET BLUE" that TIM BAKER?

MM,
 
I don't know if Tim Baker went to Jet Blue but I know Paul Hocking (DCA rep) went to JB. When he voted away our pension I think he was  on leave from US and he might even have been in training at JB.
 
All the best,
 
Bob

 

[EastUS1]

All I see him accomplishing is poisoning the well.

 
Wow! "...poisoning the well."..? Whew! That you're even capable of using that phrase (with a presumably straight face) constitutes the unquestionably winning entry for the Joke of the Day. 😉
 
Tell us all some more about you/chippie/apparently RR and all the little group of "players" that strove so hard to subvert any attempts at bettering the MOU terms....? Congrats on your great "success" there, btw. Who knows how things might've gone without the fine and noble "help" of such deceitful and conniving little "players"?
 
That you're against the recall does much to reccomend it, although I'm still open to any and all information from both sides of this mess, since the timing's hardly favorable for a major shakeup.

 

[Bill Brasky]

MM,
 
I don't know if Tim Baker went to Jet Blue but I know Paul Hocking (DCA rep) went to JB. When he voted away our pension I think he was  on leave from US and he might even have been in training at JB.
 
All the best,
 
Bob

True enough. The fact that this was allowed to happen was just another reason to ditch ALPA. I'm not sure I remember this correctly, but while Hocking was a LEC rep, Baker was an MEC officer. I haven't looked in a couple of years, but Hocking was still listed on our seniority list as being on PL.

 

[767one]

True enough. The fact that this was allowed to happen was just another reason to ditch ALPA. I'm not sure I remember this correctly, but while Hocking was a LEC rep, Baker was an MEC officer. I haven't looked in a couple of years, but Hocking was still listed on our seniority list as being on PL.

I don't know if Paul is still on the list I thought he might have been forced to make a decision. I would sure hope that he wouldn't be allowed back for another bite of the apple.
 
Regards,
 
Bob

 

[nycbusdriver]

I don't know if Paul is still on the list I thought he might have been forced to make a decision. I would sure hope that he wouldn't be allowed back for another bite of the apple.
 
Regards,
 
Bob

 
I doubt he could possibly be on the list since no one has been furloughed in years.  Once the last furloughee has been recalled, or given that option, pilots on personal leave have to come back or reliquish their rights to ever come back at their place on the list.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I just looked. He's not on the latest one, but he was on whatever list that AMR guy used to make the hypothetical "DOH List" of the combined AMR-LCC pilots, since he's listed on that.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I just looked. He's not on the latest one, but he was on whatever list that AMR guy used to make the hypothetical "DOH List" of the combined AMR-LCC pilots, since he's listed on that.

 
That's nice.  The APA is using a list that is likely years out of date.  Perfect.  Shades of the Nicolau arbitration.

 

[Reed Richards]

Still waiting for an intelligent reply from an East pilot telling me why Steve Bradford was recalled by PHL and CLT. I can only hope it will be better than made up stuff, like "Tim Baker having a job at Jet Blue."


snapthis, on 14 Dec 2013 - 1:31 PM, said:

Do you think those donations will help when the West votes....Yes?
Good luck, RR. You're going to need it.

You are correct Snap, we are going to need luck. The Recall 6 have put the East pilots in the unenviable situation of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. You guys will probably be able to throw out Gary and the Founder, and throw the union into a new election. An election in which the East vote will almost surely be split, and the West Candidate will win. You might even get under the wire and be able to alter the committee structure going into M/B, especially if Silver causes any delays in the process. Nicely played, especially the way you got our own guys to sell out Bradford.

Votenorecall.org

RR

NO RECALL/NO NIC

 

[Reed Richards]

That's nice.  The APA is using a list that is likely years out of date.  Perfect.  Shades of the Nicolau arbitration.

I don't connect the dots on any "AMR guy" and his list equating with the APA and theirs, any more than I do others (not you) that drivel on here with lies and made up stuff.

The upcoming seniority integration process will turn on accurate current lists and the quality of merger representation (legal and committee) each side has at the table. The Merger Committee also needs to keep a close relationship with the NAC during the proceedings. We don't want to accept items in the Merger talks without making sure they are not "end run" in the JNC process. That said, it seems CLT and PHL want to re-staff BOTH committees now, following their election of Fergeson. Since those six reps now have such an outstanding relationship with the West Class (cozy enough to throw Bradford under the bus) Crimi, Glynn, DiOrio, and Frear should have no problem securing full time union positions. ....aw heck, I cannot even joke about it, this is all so ridiculous I still cannot believe we have BPR members so bent on bad logic they would recall Steve Bradford, bring back roll call, and give the West Class a seat in the union AFTER it is decertified.

RR

 

[EastUS1]

 

 An election in which the East vote will almost surely be split, and the West Candidate will win. You might even get under the wire and be able to alter the committee structure going into M/B, especially if Silver causes any delays in the process.

 
That much is a reasonable concern.