Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Reed Richards]

 
How can they take credit for something they recommended voting against?
 
Played.

I cannot even quite say "played." The retro still was not enough for them, they thought we all deserved moneys from the APA pension dissolution.The CLT reps voted "yes," but I will forever wonder why they simply did not vote "no." Speaks to credibility. RR

 

[Claxon]

"For it" before the CLT reps knew it was even there. Nuff said. RR

BS, the reps should have known it was there by being told by hummel.
 
hummel blinked.  But hey, he got his.

 

[Res Judicata]

Hummel will probably be recalled, to be replaced by a West Pilot.  Don't quite get your Hummel-Silver connection, she hates him for not testifying on opiates. Until he is recalled, Hummel  will appeal any attempt to give the west a seat all the way to SCOTUS. But you have no reason to believe me, especially after my merger predictions. RR

SCOTUS? HHHHAAAA!!!!!!!

Sure. Your fake union will have been dead and buried long before the 9th ever hears a peep out of your defunct, bankrupt, pointless little group. Forget SCOTUS....They'll be confused as the only USAPA in existence will be an organized bunch of retirees playing an odd racquet sport...alert Cleary, he needs to sue over the unauthorized use of "his" acronym, (how did he invent it when it was being used for years before the fake scab union was ever discussed in the van btw?) www.usapa.org was already taken.


Events are rapidly over taking your ability to hold your breath and stop your feet. Parker got what he wanted from you, now you're toast. So is Hummel and The prince hypocrite Scabford.

 

[traderjake]

The CLT reps voted "yes," but I will forever wonder why they simply did not vote "no." Speaks to credibility. RR

 
They voted Yes to putting the Mou out for a vote and then recommended voting against the MOU.

 

[767one]

 
 
I found out long ago one can have positive bank or QOL.  Bank does little more than make SAP a little easier, but the trade off isn't worth it, IMHO.  I can't remember the time I had positive bank.  P.S. I am flattered that you would find me worthy of your personal attacks.  Seriously, the condescension is appreciated.   I'm not really worthy.  Seriously.  
 
When the company was headed for the 2nd BK I went from positive bank to full negative bank. I did not want them to owe me money because we know how that would have ended up. I thought it would take a long time to pay back the negative bank but I had a couple of mechanicals on the 4th day of a 4 day trip which resulted in an extra days pay. It didn't take long at all to pay it back.
 
All the best,
 
Bob

 

[767one]

 
It should but the company probably doesn't want to go back and figure out which hours were earned before and after.

Sounds to me like a grievance will have to be filed. If it's expedited if will probably be won in 3 or 4 years and then another 3 or 4 years for the company to actually comply while they interpret the hell out of the award. It might say American Airlines  but you are still dealing with the most recent version of USAirways.
 
All the best,
 
Bob

 

[A320 Driver]

Sounds to me like a grievance will have to be filed. If it's expedited if will probably be won in 3 or 4 years and then another 3 or 4 years for the company to actually comply while they interpret the hell out of the award. It might say American Airlines  but you are still dealing with the most recent version of USAirways.
 
All the best,
 
Bob

Good point. They are STILL, after all this time, nibbling around the edges of our contract. Why don't they just cut the checks and pay us what they owe us? Hummel hand delivered the areas of the MOU that are not being paid that should be. There is no "figuring out" what they owe us. I don't understand the games. Never have.

 

[nevergiveup]

 
They voted Yes to putting the Mou out for a vote and then recommended voting against the MOU.

Had the MOU failed to pass, there could have been some quick negotiations and a better offer made. While this is only a speculation, letting the group vote kept the process moving. Although I voted  against it, it is a done deal. Time to move forward to the next JCBA.
 
Just voted against the recall as well. Too late in the race for a 4 tire change with just two laps to go.(I know many will not understand this analogy!)   

 

[EastUS1]

Claxon, on 19 Dec 2013 - 11:35 PM, said: Trust gary hummel?  What exactly was his stand on asking for retro pay?

His stand did not matter,.......

 
It certainly matters to me, since it speaks to an easy willingness to give away possible and perhaps even established benefits...and for WHAT exactly?....The potential continuation of a company paid position once this is finished?

 

[EastUS1]

Had the MOU failed to pass, there could have been some quick negotiations and a better offer made. While this is only a speculation, letting the group vote kept the process moving. Although I voted  against it, it is a done deal. Time to move forward to the next JCBA.
 
Just voted against the recall as well. Too late in the race for a 4 tire change with just two laps to go.(I know many will not understand this analogy!)   

 
The same shared notions with your first, but the recall's ramifications are less clear to me and need additional consideration. I see the hazards within, but must wonder as to just how much of a "company man" we might actually have as a president, and how much harm might well occur before this is all (usapa), finally finished. The whole "imperial" approach to things disgusted me with alpa, and sadly seems to have been fully resurrected here of late.

 

[EastUS1]

[SIZE=10.5pt]They stupidly also claim Hummel made secret deals and took graft.[/SIZE]

 
Well...He IS being directly paid by the company, not as a pilot, but purely to hold the office of union president. I suppose that shouldn't raise ANY red flags for anyone? As one human being towards another; I wish him the very best with his medical issues and a full recovery, but it passes rational thought to not at least wonder what a person with such constraints might be willing to do to secure his own future. An apparent history of solo meetings/contacts with management fails to assure much peace of mind in that regard.

 

[A320 Driver]

I know that one of his first acts as President was to get two terminated pilots their jobs back. That was done with a spirit of cooperation...not capitulation. This pilot group is finally moving forward again with a parity contract 36 months out. In the meantime, major improvements in pay and benefits. And all some of our pilot group can see are negatives...what we "might" have had. I for one have had enough dice rolling by the union. That got us a terminated retirement. It got us LOA 93. We would be much better off if everyone put the hatred aside and looked at the big picture. I know that is impossible for some, but for the fence sitters, why not make the phone call. Call the officers and get their side of things. Better yet, go to a few BPR meetings like I did and see what a circus a few reps make out of the entire process. If it were left up to DiOrio, you wouldn't have a contract right now. I'm most disappointed in Taylor...always considered him a thinker, not a follower. I guess he finally "capitulated" to the will of his fellow reps.

 

[EastUS1]

I called two posters here "dumbass" tonight.  What is wrong with me?

 
Fair question. There are better ways to sell any particular viewpoint.

 

[EastUS1]

I know that one of his first acts as President was to get two terminated pilots their jobs back. That was done with a spirit of cooperation...not capitulation.

 
A hearty Well Done for that!
 
A320: "but for the fence sitters, why not make the phone call. Call the officers and get their side of things. Better yet, go to a few BPR meetings like I did..." Sound advice, from the viewpoint of a fence-sitter at present. Too little's being otherwise put out that serves to do much more than sling mud.

 

[traderjake]

Had the MOU failed to pass, there could have been some quick negotiations and a better offer made.

 
......or we could still be on LOA 93.