Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

[SIZE=medium]The method you suggest to get “more” was already used when the  BPR turned down MOU I.  Pat, Brian, and especial Rowland (Professional Negotiator for USAPA) did all but BEG the BPR to take that deal.  ....[/SIZE]

 
 
Hummel should have told the Professional Negotiator that he personally already had Doug's promise for retro pay in the bag for MOU II, albeit sans positive bank.  Maybe the Professional Negotiator could have secured positive bank if he had been in on the secret.  😀

 

[Reed Richards]

 
 
Bradford or Hummel?  Who do you see sitting in Dallas behind a mahogany desk with a cat-that-ate-the-bird smile?  

Me!

 

[nycbusdriver]

If you guys are getting USAPA emails please note the one from the NAC on 16 Nov, and specifically the link to a "clairification letter" dated 18 APR 13.  There you will see item 6 says retro applies only to hours "paid."   For those of you that only get your news, and carry on your debates, with grown men wearing super hero tights....you can consider yourselves the least informed of our pilots.  But if you want to trade action figures or read comic books together, send me a personal.....it would make my day. RR
 
 

 
Not that I have any bank time (I don't), what you're saying is that accumulating bank hours since Feb 8th has been a bit counter-productive in light of the new pay rates.  In short, hours put in the bank were not subject to the MOU rates.  Is that what has happened?  That would certainly be something the Tempe brain trust would do, i.e. parse words to their benefit.

 

[Reed Richards]

 
 
Hummel should have told the Professional Negotiator that he personally already had Doug's promise for retro pay in the bag for MOU II, albeit sans positive bank.  Maybe the Professional Negotiator could have secured positive bank if he had been in on the secret.   😀

Ah, now you finally "bite" on my contention the CLT reps did not get retro.  Call up the lawyer that represented the UCC, he will give you the real story.  Who cares, since you have no skin in the game you can come from all sides on every issue.  So sad Cleary's "team" just missed out on such glory. Bad timing I guess 🙂  RR

 

[Phoenix]

 
Not that I have any bank time (I don't), what you're saying is that accumulating bank hours since Feb 8th has been a bit counter-productive in light of the new pay rates.  In short, hours put in the bank were not subject to the MOU rates.  Is that what has happened?  That would certainly be something the Tempe brain trust would do, i.e. parse words to their benefit.

 
 
RR has called some people a "dumb ass" for asking such questions after his thorough explanation.  I don't think he has the stones to call a NYC buss driver a dumb ass. 😀  Yes, the company is doing that, according to one credible poster, and after reading the clarification letter that Hummel signed, it is an extremely tortuous interpretation to exclude active duty hours flown since Feb 8th.   Hummel did not play anybody in this instance. 

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
RR has called some people a "dumb ass" for asking such questions after his thorough explanation.  I don't think he has the stones to call a NYC buss driver a dumb ass. 😀  Yes, the company is doing that, according to one credible poster, and after reading the clarification letter that Hummel signed, it is an extremely tortuous interpretation to exclude active duty hours flown since Feb 8th.   Hummel did not play anybody in this instance. 

 
Yeah.  Who would have thought that banked hours worked after Feb 8th would not earn the higher pay?  It's a "gotcha" that meets the letter of the MOU, but not really the spirit of it.  Sleazy is as sleazy does, Tempe!

 

[snapthis]

Waiting to hear the sell job by Harper and the company to USAPA and APA as to why the made up West Class should be included. There is absolutely nothing in it for APA but trouble.
There is no legal standing for this to happen. This is just one more brilliant move by Doug Parker to stir up more labor discord which results in long term pilot cohesion issues. Which lead to contract issues. Have to admit, the guy is an absolute pro.

If you are ever in town, try the Sundance Steak at La Hacienda Ranch.
 
Hwy 121 in Colleyvile. North of the AA HDQ.
 

 

[Crzipilot]

 
Not that I have any bank time (I don't), what you're saying is that accumulating bank hours since Feb 8th has been a bit counter-productive in light of the new pay rates.  In short, hours put in the bank were not subject to the MOU rates.  Is that what has happened?  That would certainly be something the Tempe brain trust would do, i.e. parse words to their benefit.

 
 
That pretty much sums it up.   As to the positive bank,  Most of it is attributed to training on change of equipment, where between gs / sim / OE  it put me fairly above the pay cap for the month.   A few over blocks late in the month.    Being low on the totem pole,  I was using that bank to drop enough time from sap in december to only have a 65/70 hour month,  even with the pay cap being 90 hours.   And actually give myself some time off to be around family.
 
In the end it still served it's purpose,   but the interpretation that bank time was not considered part of "All hours of flight pay"    is stretching it...

 

[Pi brat]

If you are ever in town, try the Sundance Steak at La Hacienda Ranch.
 
Hwy 121 in Colleyvile. North of the AA HDQ.
 

There ya go! Snappy has been out there sniffing around. I bet he is going to run for USAPA president so that he can get a job in management at the newAA.

 

[Reed Richards]

 
Not that I have any bank time (I don't), what you're saying is that accumulating bank hours since Feb 8th has been a bit counter-productive in light of the new pay rates.  In short, hours put in the bank were not subject to the MOU rates.  Is that what has happened?  That would certainly be something the Tempe brain trust would do, i.e. parse words to their benefit.

[SIZE=10.5pt]I just got a brief reply from the union/company on my issue, said they would get back to me. I was aware of this anomaly early on, but considered it rather trivial in light of all that was going on. But as I see it, you are correct. Putting time IN the bank and NOT taking it out prior to the end of November was losing retro. RR[/SIZE]

 

[Phoenix]

Ah, now you finally "bite" on my contention the CLT reps did not get retro.  Call up the lawyer that represented the UCC, he will give you the real story.  Who cares, since you have no skin in the game you can come from all sides on every issue.  So sad Cleary's "team" just missed out on such glory. Bad timing I guess 🙂  RR

 
 
You boasted that Hummel made a deal with the company to offer retro pay on MOU II to "allow" CLT to "get" retro pay that Hummel and the company agreed to beforehand.... without the knowledge of the CLT reps as a minimum, and perhaps without the knowledge of the Professional Negotiator too, unless you mean to tell us the Professional Negotiator was also in on the secret play with Hummel and the company.  
 
I find your account plausible and have little doubt that the company planned to "acquiesce" to retro pay for MOU II just as soon as the BPR asked for it.
 
And your continued condescension to one who had no skin in the game is touching.  I am not worthy.  Seriously.  I am flattered you would bother to address someone who has no positive bank.  I feel all tingly inside.  🙂

 

[Reed Richards]

 
 
   Hummel did not play anybody in this instance. 
 
 

Yeah, the jerk brough me a $60/hr pay raise and has the nerve to cheat me out of an extra $120 bucks in my pay bank. Recall the SOB.  RR

 

[nic4us]

Waiting to hear the sell job by Harper and the company to USAPA and APA as to why the made up West Class should be included. There is absolutely nothing in it for APA but trouble.
There is no legal standing for this to happen. This is just one more brilliant move by Doug Parker to stir up more labor discord which results in long term pilot cohesion issues. Which lead to contract issues. Have to admit, the guy is an absolute pro.

Pay attention SCAB..I am only going to explain this once!

First, Parker did not stir up labor discord...the reneging malconts on the east did when they decided to SCAB West jobs!

Second, usapa is done. collective bargaining with the scab union ended when you got yourself parked by the NMB. The MOU is in effect. The MOU calls for integrating seniority via McCaskill/Bond, which is now federal law. MB states integration will be via AM as prescribed by the old CAB. Soooo.....the company is liable for assuring a "fair and equitable" integration. That alone ensures the scab union is OUT!!!

 

[Phoenix]

Yeah, the jerk brough me a $60/hr pay raise and has the nerve to cheat me out of an extra $120 bucks in my pay bank. Recall the SOB.  RR

 
Oh, stop with all your attention.  You are making me blush.  
 
You credited Hummel with the secret Retro Pay deal, and I said his clarification letter did NOT lose any bank.  
 
If you have time can you retell the story about how Ferggie comes to town with the Nic?  

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
 And actually give myself some time off to be around family.
 
 

 
 
WHAT A CONCEPT!
 
Good for you!