US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/2- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Crzipilot]

Cleared,

Reality will set you free, Deep breathing excercises help too....

 

[Hate2fly]

Attack, attack attack, insult, insult, insult.

So where is this shining example of legal research for the MDA case? Still not posted on the pacer web site. Still have not seen the order extending the deadline. Anyone, anyone care to post this.

So what it blows ALPA out of the water. We are not ALPA. No one will explain how this has any effect on us airways and seniority.

You all keep saying the Nicolau dead. No Nicolau, no harm to MDA, no case. Please explain this. If you all are so certain that you are going to get DOH where is your harm from an alleged incorrect list? No harm, no case. No contract with the Nicolau, no harm not ripe, no case.

Somebody explain this.

Links to the filing links to the order delaying the deadline please.


This appears to be a desperate attempt to collect some last minute money before this case is DISMISSED. No information just more promises.

Clear,

You have been such a wealth of information to all of us in the east. When you finally get your hands on the Haber document you will then start to understand what a DFR really is. I told you a few months ago to watch what ALPA does! ALPA will settle. They will not let this get to a jury. When you read the Haber document you will see how badly the MDA abortion was handled by ALPA. Man, you are going to be bummed! Trust me, the Nic will never see the light of day. Someone was really misled!

Hate

 

[cleardirect]

NOBODY wants a job action. Not you, not me, not USAPA, not the company. But it's there if we need it.

To use another movie quote "stupid is as stupid does". Don't be stupid.

You can't honestly say that you thought you were gonna be able to take the seat and job of someone that's been here YEARS longer than yourself. You know you didn't, I don't care what you say here. If you did, just reread the quote.

And, yes, I do expect the BPR to speak for ALL USAPA pilots. Just don't expect them to ruin 2/3 of the pilots' careers to give the other 1/3 a "lottery ticket" win.

Lots of questions asked never any answers given.

The east pilots say you won. You all are saying that the Nicolau is dead and you are going to get DOH. Why continue to make your arguments why you should have DOH or why Nicolau is not fair to you? What for? If it is over move on. Maybe just maybe you are not so sure that DOH is in and Nicolau is dead.

Are you saying that you would allow the BPR to take this pilot group into a strike/ job action with allowing the line pilot a vote? That sounds even worse than ALPA. At least they allowed a strike vote.

Beside why are you still worried about 2/3 of the pilots giving away your career to the 1/3. You are getting DOH right you told us all that. Not so sure?

BTW it was you that threatened the job action if Parker did not give the east what you wanted. But DOH is locked up right? Not so sure?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Lots of questions asked never any answers given.

The east pilots say you won. You all are saying that the Nicolau is dead and you are going to get DOH. Why continue to make your arguments why you should have DOH or why Nicolau is not fair to you? What for? If it is over move on. Maybe just maybe you are not so sure that DOH is in and Nicolau is dead.

Are you saying that you would allow the BPR to take this pilot group into a strike/ job action with allowing the line pilot a vote? That sounds even worse than ALPA. At least they allowed a strike vote.

Beside why are you still worried about 2/3 of the pilots giving away your career to the 1/3. You are getting DOH right you told us all that. Not so sure?

BTW it was you that threatened the job action if Parker did not give the east what you wanted. But DOH is locked up right? Not so sure?

Stage 2, ANGER. Good, you're making progress.

Part of why I don't give you answers to your uninformed questions is that there are no concrete answers. Younger, less educated minds can have a little difficulty understanding the abstract, I understand that.

Take the GOOD advice from above. A few deep breaths, then relax.

 

[cleardirect]

Clear,

You have been such a wealth of information to all of us in the east. When you finally get your hands on the Haber document you will then start to understand what a DFR really is. I told you a few months ago to watch what ALPA does! ALPA will settle. They will not let this get to a jury. When you read the Haber document you will see how badly the MDA abortion was handled by ALPA. Man, you are going to be bummed! Trust me, the Nic will never see the light of day. Someone was really misled!

Hate

POST IT. It has not been filed with the court yet. What document?

You guys are telling us that the ninth killed the Nicolau. That the Nicolau will not see the light of day from the
Addington case. So if there is not harm from the Addington case and usapa is going to get you DOH. Where is the harm in the MDA case?

No Nicolau no harm, no ratifed contract, no MDA case, no money.

We are not ALPA, ALPA does not control the Nicolau. How does any of this effect us?

 

[Black Swan]

Read my question carefully. You say the company "could" accept many lists. They could also accept many pay scales or retirement packages. I said what if the company decides not to accept anything else but Nicolau? usapa is negotiating for seniorty and crew meals.

What is usapa going to do? What leverge does usapa have to get anything but Nicolau?

The threat of an illegal job action will bring the wrath of more federal judges. Then you guys will learn what the RLA is all about.

So what leverage do you have if the company stands on Nicolau?

You must have been in the court urging Wake on into his legal madness. None of you out there in the desert has any clue to the RLA. I know you like making up law and procedure, but the company is much smarter in this regard than you think. That is why they waited on the Nic, and shelved it. It had to be in a contract to implement. They knew it. Now the 9th has ruled over the Wake tyranny. Not a very good sign when a Federal judge disregards the RLA. He got hit for it. Guess what happens if the company decides not to accept anything other than the Nicolau? Injunction. This time, one that has merit, not some crackpot union busting judge behind it. RLA law. You guys all wasted serious time and coin. Did anyone on the legal braintrust ever think of the analogy of damage that makes the concept of damage clear? Think about this. Can you sue a driver for an auto accident before it happened? And what if it never happened? Basically what your legal team did. Should have been very clear by asking that. The law is backward looking. Wake should have known it. He was so intent on busting a union he was wetting his pants. Thank you for Addington. The 9th going into the Nic was a godsend. It makes it very clear where the path is leading now. Thank you!

 

[Black Swan]

POST IT. It has not been filed with the court yet. What document?

You guys are telling us that the ninth killed the Nicolau. That the Nicolau will not see the light of day from the
Addington case. So if there is not harm from the Addington case and usapa is going to get you DOH. Where is the harm in the MDA case?

No Nicolau no harm, no ratifed contract, no MDA case, no money.

We are not ALPA, ALPA does not control the Nicolau. How does any of this effect us?

Wait till you see what ALPA is going to say. You are not going to think of it as good news........

 

[Freebird]

Freebird, Career expectations and America West in the same sentence. What a Joke. There was movement because pilots left for better jobs. The pilots that stayed must have liked the pay and non benefits.

Pilots left for better jobs? Are you serious or just ignorant? Ask the former East pilots, that were hired here after being furloughed out East with no chance of returning, why they applied. Was it because others were leaving AWA? It was growth. AAA Was on its knees. Done.

Its hard to tell which one of you is the most ignorant on this board. I see you choose to read the 9th decision and spin it your way. Its not all roses for Usapa, ladies.

Tread lightly, my friend....

 

[Hate2fly]

POST IT. It has not been filed with the court yet. What document?

You guys are telling us that the ninth killed the Nicolau. That the Nicolau will not see the light of day from the
Addington case. So if there is not harm from the Addington case and usapa is going to get you DOH. Where is the harm in the MDA case?

No Nicolau no harm, no ratifed contract, no MDA case, no money.

We are not ALPA, ALPA does not control the Nicolau. How does any of this effect us?

Clear,

You are confused! MDA is not about the Nic. It is a very small part of the case.

Hate

 

[Black Swan]

You and Aqua never answered. Where is the Leonidas Website? We know it was quickly taken away. Cannot be taken other than a clear sign the army is in full retreat.

 

[cleardirect]

Stage 2, ANGER. Good, you're making progress.

Part of why I don't give you answers to your uninformed questions is that there are no concrete answers. Younger, less educated minds can have a little difficulty understanding the abstract, I understand that.

Take the GOOD advice from above. A few deep breaths, then relax.

Finally a little break through. An admission that no one knows when or if the NMB will release us for self help. That is what I was trying to get to.

Man, that must have been some primo blue agave. You should really know your limit. You think the company would risk a job action over you guys? Pilots really do have an inflated sense of self worth.

An empty and hollow threat demanding DOH like a precocious three year old. There will be no job action because of seniority. The NMB will not release us for that reason. So any threats of job action would be illegal since we are not and will not be released for self help.

No anger here boys, as a matter of facts I am having a pretty good day. I am enjoying the premature celebrations of victory. It is interesting to watch the wild gyration of emotion come from the east.

I await the day several months from now when one of you finally has to ask the union when are they going to give the company that DOH list? I can nearly guarantee that question will have to be asked? Anyone think that DOH list will be given to the company before the first snow fall in PHL?

 

[Schultz]

POST IT. It has not been filed with the court yet. What document?

You guys are telling us that the ninth killed the Nicolau. That the Nicolau will not see the light of day from the
Addington case. So if there is not harm from the Addington case and usapa is going to get you DOH. Where is the harm in the MDA case?

No Nicolau no harm, no ratifed contract, no MDA case, no money.

We are not ALPA, ALPA does not control the Nicolau. How does any of this effect us?

Clear, Read post #74 if you want the document.

 

[Black Swan]

POST IT. It has not been filed with the court yet. What document?

You guys are telling us that the ninth killed the Nicolau. That the Nicolau will not see the light of day from the
Addington case. So if there is not harm from the Addington case and usapa is going to get you DOH. Where is the harm in the MDA case?

No Nicolau no harm, no ratifed contract, no MDA case, no money.

We are not ALPA, ALPA does not control the Nicolau. How does any of this effect us?

Clear, this is an easy one. Read carefully. Pilots "furloughed" into MDA. Same certificate. Not like PSA or Piedmont. Still with me? OK. This has the backing of ALPA on the property and Nat'l, Then the list goes to Nicolau. He rules the Nic with them being FURLOUGHED in it. OK here it is. That is when DAMAGE occurred. Get it? They got put on the bottom. That is the damage. Accident happened, damage done. Not pending.

 

[cleardirect]

Clear,

You are confused! MDA is not about the Nic. It is a very small part of the case.

Hate

That is how it is being sold. That this MDA case will change the Nicolau. So now you are saying that it will not change the Nicolau or has little to do with it.

OH!

This case is against ALPA. You are asking for $175,000,000.00 of ALPA's money. We are not ALPA. How does this have any effect on us then?

Sounds like back sliding to me. So what is it about other than the money?

ps I guess if you do win it will effect me because the other ALPA airlines will close the jumpseat to usapa. That little $3000.00 assessment might tend to irritate some people just a bit.

 

[cleardirect]

Clear, Read post #74 if you want the document.

I did read it. I can not find pilotsforchange group or web site or anything. I get some UK web site. Nothing on the yahoo group.

A little help.

Why has it not been posted to pacer?