What AMTs expect in 2015 contract

[2ndGENAMT]

So I guess it's safe to say that the company will make efforts to get out of Tulsa? Aircraft retirements, longer intervals between heavies and new aircraft not needing heavy checks for years to come. With that kind of thinking from the company and having a weak union I would be concerned if I was working in overhaul regardless if it's in Tulsa or Phoenix or Pittsburgh or any other station that has overhaul.

I have no idea what the future holds but they are spending a lot of money in Tulsa right now.

 

[1AA]

I have no idea what the future holds but they are spending a lot of money in Tulsa right now.

Spending money to upgrade the place? They might be cleaning the place up a bit and update the facilities to make it attractive to a new owner. We do this when we sell our homes. Don't put it past the company and the union knowing something is in the works and they need to figure out how to deal with the employees. Hence the delay in negotiations. I believe in M&E the association is intentionally delaying because the company has an agenda with overhaul on both sides of the company. My opinion but things don't add up after all the union and company has said about negotiations.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

I have no idea what the future holds but they are spending a lot of money in Tulsa right now.

They did the same thing at AFW.

 

[1AA]

They did the same thing at AFW.

Scary thought of the outcome. We see what Alliance is today. AFW might be part 1. Is the rest of overhaul going to end up the same? I hope not but nobody is talking on either side of the table but yet both sides are blaming the other for not moving forward. That's unethical in negotiations. Something is brewing.

 

[Buck]

First you have to understand that the type of unionism the TWU promotes, is one of the most union members versus the total compensation, with the goal being more political power.
 
This is the goal laid out from the AFL-CIO. The alternate method would be for higher compensation and fewer members and therefore less political power.
 
While it makes little difference at the local level, the overall strategy could work on a state or national level.
 
Then of course at American the unionized employee use to have a nice pension, which is now frozen. It is time for the compensation at American to be brought up to par.

 

[MetalMover]

First you have to understand that the type of unionism the TWU promotes, is one of the most union members versus the total compensation, with the goal being more political power.
 
This is the goal laid out from the AFL-CIO. The alternate method would be for higher compensation and fewer members and therefore less political power.
 
While it makes little difference at the local level, the overall strategy could work on a state or national level.
 
Then of course at American the unionized employee use to have a nice pension, which is now frozen. It is time for the compensation at American to be brought up to par.

I believe at the end of the day, IF we get there, we will be compensated. But I also believe that when we see what the company wants in exchange for DL +7, increased outsourcing in ALL ground worker areas will be increased as well as increased OH outsourcing, some folks may not be happy. Everyone needs to keep in mind that all these new aircraft coming online, both Airbus and Boeing will have had their heavy OH time intervals increased drastically, due to dramatic increases in airframe and engine reliability.
You add in the accelerated retirements of MD80s, 767 and 757s, the need for heavy OH is being diminished naturally. 
So the question is, do we want the $$$$$ in exchange for what they might want in return? Or do we reject the $$$$ and have all these scenarios happen ANYWAY?
Let me be clear, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE JOB LOSSES AND WORK OUTSOURCED SO I CAN GET A RAISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
BUT........If is going to happen regardless, why not accept our ultimate fate anyway and move on. For too many decades, I have seen contract after contract only PROLONG the inevitable.
 
Have we NOT learned anything?
 
The other factor everyone needs to KEEP IN MIND.....it is NOT just about LAA and TULE anymore, you have LUS IAM members who have already experienced the inevitable and where did it get them?  After two bankruptcies, they were just brought up to AA pay.......CMON people.......let's learn from the past!

 

[Buck]

I believe at the end of the day, IF we get there, we will be compensated. But I also believe that when we see what the company wants in exchange for DL +7, increased outsourcing in ALL ground worker areas will be increased as well as increased OH outsourcing, some folks may not be happy. Everyone needs to keep in mind that all these new aircraft coming online, both Airbus and Boeing will have had their heavy OH time intervals increased drastically, due to dramatic increases in airframe and engine reliability.
You add in the accelerated retirements of MD80s, 767 and 757s, the need for heavy OH is being diminished naturally. 
So the question is, do we want the $$$$$ in exchange for what they might want in return? Or do we reject the $$$$ and have all these scenarios happen ANYWAY?
Let me be clear, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE JOB LOSSES AND WORK OUTSOURCED SO I CAN GET A RAISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
BUT........If is going to happen regardless, why not accept our ultimate fate anyway and move on. For too many decades, I have seen contract after contract only PROLONG the inevitable.
 
Have we NOT learned anything?
 
The other factor everyone needs to KEEP IN MIND.....it is NOT just about LAA and TULE anymore, you have LUS IAM members who have already experienced the inevitable and where did it get them?  After two bankruptcies, they were just brought up to AA pay.......CMON people.......let's learn from the past!

Let me be clear, after 30 years of being compensated at the bottom with my peers, I no longer care about the Socialism of the TWU.  The majority of the TWU mechanics have been under some form of reduced pay from the beginning of their AA career. In 1983 the TWU granted the "B-Scale" ( I know, OS and 700,  blame the pilots) that is all the TWU does is deflect their mistakes onto some other group.At every contract since, there has been a revival of the this half-pay approach at AA. So for now I see no other course of action. If the raise(s) have to be paid for and the DL + 7% is not work rule related, then a new "B-Scale is in order.

 

[bigjets]

We should have learned our lesson by now, after 2003 and 2012 where we have to save, but yet AFW and MCI were both closed. It's inevitable now that more OH will be lost with the S80, 767 and 757 retirements.

On the flip side more mechs will be needed at the line stations with the phase inspections. Time for OH mechs to vote like line mechs.

 

[1AA]

Local 514 will continue to serve up the cow manure at Tulsa. Unfortunately many still believe in the TWU. A rude awakening will be arriving soon. The international is trying to figure out how to preserve union dues. Someone has to pay for those new automobiles the international reps are driving around with. The international is calling the shots. Delay, delay, delay. Keep the dues flowing at all cost. As a group we are a bunch of fools being hoodwinked by the association.

 

[MetalMover]

Let me be clear, after 30 years of being compensated at the bottom with my peers, I no longer care about the Socialism of the TWU.  The majority of the TWU mechanics have been under some form of reduced pay from the beginning of their AA career. In 1983 the TWU granted the "B-Scale" ( I know, OS and 700,  blame the pilots) that is all the TWU does is deflect their mistakes onto some other group.At every contract since, there has been a revival of the this half-pay approach at AA. So for now I see no other course of action. If the raise(s) have to be paid for and the DL + 7% is not work rule related, then a new "B-Scale is in order.

Buck, I stated loud and clear that I don't want a raise at the expense of others. Even though for decades the TWU has catered to the needs of what TULE wanted and did not want at the expense of the line folks. I think it is inevitable that the need for heavy OH is diminishing. Sadly the OH base needs to adapt to the changing world of aircraft maintenance. They need to realize that the good old days are gone as their numbers do not by default get them what they want. 

 

[700UW]

I would think TULE is safe, I think they want to close PIT, TULE can easily absorb the work.
 
Also PMUS outsources all component overhaul and repair, that work could be brought back in-house and done at TULE

 

[1AA]

I would think TULE is safe, I think they want to close PIT, TULE can easily absorb the work.
 
Also PMUS outsources all component overhaul and repair, that work could be brought back in-house and done at TULE

Overhaul is not safe. Parker stated this more than once. He wants no part of being a MRO and our heavies are already outsourced. Domestic or international, it's outsourced. I don't know what plans the New American has in mind. All overhaul is under the light. This is why I believe the association at the international level is dragging it's feet knowing what's coming real soon.

 

[WeAAsles]

Local 514 will continue to serve up the cow manure at Tulsa. Unfortunately many still believe in the TWU. A rude awakening will be arriving soon. The international is trying to figure out how to preserve union dues. Someone has to pay for those new automobiles the international reps are driving around with. The international is calling the shots. Delay, delay, delay. Keep the dues flowing at all cost. As a group we are a bunch of fools being hoodwinked by the association.

You're really pushing yourself towards being irrelevant now. There's a really good conversation going on right now with different people bringing up very good points and this is what you contribute to that?

Can you discuss the issues at all without making these multiple stump speeches that are filled with just too much hot air?

 

[MetalMover]

 I don't know what plans the New American has in mind. All overhaul is under the light. This is why I believe the association at the international level is dragging it's feet knowing what's coming real soon.

Couldn't agree more......When we get to JCBA, we will see what is expected in return for DL + 7.

 

[1AA]

You're really pushing yourself towards being irrelevant now. There's a really good conversation going on right now with different people bringing up very good points and this is what you contribute to that?
Can you discuss the issues at all without making these multiple stump speeches that are filled with just too much hot air?

Then share with us your experience with aircraft maintenance under the TWU? I don't and never got involved in fleet affairs because I'm smart enough to know when to stay out of issues that I'm not familiar with. It always seems that fleet service wants to get involved in Aircraft Maintenance issues. When we try to break away we are an asset to the union. Once a drive is over we are on the back burner and fleet service reps are appointed by the International to represent us in certain areas.