AFA labor discussion (Work related)

[Travelpro72]

We all must understand that Mike is grabbing at straws now. He has negotiated a terrible contract that only shines brightly in his world. I hear more and more people saying that they are voting no. Hell, the company wanted more than one round of concessions so why would you vote YES for something the first time even if you thought it was ok? The contract is terrible. Oh and FYI, since the union wants to play games with all of the signatures collected to recall Mike and Carol the new petition is going around to recall the local officers. Get ready to sign it. YOUR voice is being silenced by your LEC. Not an opinion but a fact. AFA Int'l is playing right along right up to the old witch Miss Friend herself. If we really want to make a difference we need to recall the officers who vote Mike into office. Don't hesitate to sign it regardless of if you are a friend of someone currently elected. It's for the will of the people.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

I have witnessed hundreds of not-so-unusual crew room exchanges about the forthcoming contract, especially since the reserve section of the TA has been unveiled, (that small morsel alone contains amply sufficient reason for me to commit to a "no" vote right now),...

Since this seems to be the crux of why this contract should be voted down what should the ideal reserve section look like?

 

[ganesha]

I will take Carol Austin's Place... she needs to go... she has harding of her arteries.... she is a dinosaur and needs to go.... how freekin old is she? She screwed us PI folks w/ our pension and SS...
get rid of her.... NOW
dinosaur

Carol Austin is 67. Her term as Scheduling Chair is three years starting January 1, 2011. Do the math - that means she will be 70! Write to your local LEC's people.

 

[Travelpro72]

Since this seems to be the crux of why this contract should be voted down what should the ideal reserve section look like?

If the JNC would have listened to their members for the past five years we wouldn't have to ASK that question now would we? 🙄

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

If the JNC would have listened to their members for the past five years we wouldn't have to ASK that question now would we? 🙄

Well lets hear it now - you may need to sell some people on your position.

If people are recalled you may need to come up w/ an alternative to what has already been presented.

 

[Travelpro72]

Well let's keep this short and sweet. Reserves are flight attendants JUST as a lineholder is. They deserve their FULL seniority. Not hoops, baskets, buckets and groups. Processing should be done in seniority order PERIOD. Process PBS or the current AIL in inverse order. BS! ! ! ! Fly you into your INV day by an hour and it's not protected? BS! ! ! Not allow a f/a to take the possible t/a 3day because they are good for a 4day and the group/bucket/easter basket is closed? BS! ! ! ! Giving f/a's a min day of 5:15 or whatever? Uh huh and how often do you think a reserve will be able to split for days off? BS! ! The list goes on and on. There is NOTHING that could make me vote YES on what I have seen. What I have seen through meetings and actual material put out by the union mind you. We're not talking about many f/a's voting NO just because. The ignorance of the JNC and Mike mostly to say otherwise at this point is laughable. Vote how ya want.

 

[MyrnaMinkoff]

Since this seems to be the crux of why this contract should be voted down what should the ideal reserve section look like?

Do you really have to ask? Succinctly: SENIORITY-based! It should look like someone on the JNC actually gave a sh'' about the fact that a portion of its membership (including this ired commentator) has been working without seniority for most of a decade now, and that that sort of continued compromise is wholly unacceptable going forward, especially given the fact that time on reserve will constitute at least the first decade of one's "career." I'm on the cusp of completing twelve years now, but I may as well have started yesterday when it comes to trip selection. Actually "trip selection" is mostly a misnomer, because it's de rigeur to be called by daily scheduling to cover the worst assignments that crop up during the day. As a reserve, if your number is up you must do what you're told with absolutely no respect to seniority. In any other work group represented by a union, this sort of thing would be unthinkable to not only the membership, but to, (get this!), union representatives as well!

The tone and phrasing of your question is familiar...evocative of those posed in the recent feel-good, page-turner, "RSV Q&A Pt. 1," and its much-awaited sequel, "RSV Q&A Pt. 2," conceived in the spirit of phony guilelessness and smarmy patronization. If your asking, "...what should the ideal reserve section look like?", is designed to render me unable to provide the detailed minutiae vis. the logistics of an "ideal" reserve system, you have succeeded. I don't know, and therein lies the necessity for negotiators with no other agenda than aggressive advocation on behalf of the membership. And that means seniority counts for everyone. No exceptions. Securing a seniority-based reserve system will become even more imperative as new-hires will be on the property in coming months. Imagine the resentment of those of us who have been around, or furloughed, or displaced, or quick-called ad infinitum for years on end, being told, as the TA permits, that the grouping is closed, you'll be working the sixteen-leg four-day, and the eleven-years-your-junior rookie will take the three-day Rome trip.

 

[MyrnaMinkoff]

Since this seems to be the crux of why this contract should be voted down what should the ideal reserve section look like?

Do you really have to ask? Succinctly: SENIORITY-based! It should look like someone on the JNC actually gave a sh'' about the fact that a portion of its membership (including this ired commentator) has been working without seniority for most of a decade now, and that that sort of continued compromise is wholly unacceptable going forward, especially given the fact that time on reserve will constitute at least the first decade of one's "career." I'm on the cusp of completing twelve years now, but I may as well have started yesterday when it comes to trip selection. Actually "trip selection" is mostly a misnomer, because it's de rigeur to be called by daily scheduling to cover the worst assignments that crop up during the day. As a reserve, if your number is up you must do what you're told with absolutely no respect to seniority. In any other work group represented by a union, this sort of thing would be unthinkable to not only the membership, but to, (get this!), union representatives as well!

The tone and phrasing of your question is familiar...evocative of those posed in the recent feel-good, page-turner, "RSV Q&A Pt. 1," and its much-awaited sequel, "RSV Q&A Pt. 2," conceived in the spirit of phony guilelessness and smarmy patronization. If your asking, "...what should the ideal reserve section look like?", is designed to render me unable to provide the detailed minutiae vis. the logistics of an "ideal" reserve system, you have succeeded. I don't know, and therein lies the necessity for negotiators with no other agenda than aggressive advocation on behalf of the membership. And that means seniority counts for everyone. No exceptions. Securing a seniority-based reserve system will become even more imperative as new-hires will be on the property in coming months. Imagine the resentment of those of us who have been around, or furloughed, or displaced, or quick-called ad infinitum for years on end, being told, as the TA permits, that the grouping is closed, you'll be working the sixteen-leg four-day, and the eleven-years-your-junior rookie will take the three-day Rome trip.

 

[Travelpro72]

Myrna, besides what you and I have said you'll hear nothing but crickets now. All expected. 🙄

 

[MyrnaMinkoff]

Myrna, besides what you and I have said you'll hear nothing but crickets now. All expected. 🙄

True dat, Girlfriend! Snap!!!

 

[Travelpro72]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! ! ! 🙄

 

[FlyGuyBWI]

Has a T/A been put out? If so, I've missed it. That being said, I agree that the F/A group should not "settle". The East has shown that they can vote NO (see, 1995) Maybe Carol needs a round 2 reminder. I don't mean to say that the JNC doesn't think it's doing the right thing, I just don't think they have uniforms that fit anymore ...

 

[Furloughd4now]

Do you really have to ask? Succinctly: SENIORITY-based! It should look like someone on the JNC actually gave a sh'' about the fact that a portion of its membership (including this ired commentator) has been working without seniority for most of a decade now, and that that sort of continued compromise is wholly unacceptable going forward, especially given the fact that time on reserve will constitute at least the first decade of one's "career." I'm on the cusp of completing twelve years now, but I may as well have started yesterday when it comes to trip selection. Actually "trip selection" is mostly a misnomer, because it's de rigeur to be called by daily scheduling to cover the worst assignments that crop up during the day. As a reserve, if your number is up you must do what you're told with absolutely no respect to seniority. In any other work group represented by a union, this sort of thing would be unthinkable to not only the membership, but to, (get this!), union representatives as well!

The tone and phrasing of your question is familiar...evocative of those posed in the recent feel-good, page-turner, "RSV Q&A Pt. 1," and its much-awaited sequel, "RSV Q&A Pt. 2," conceived in the spirit of phony guilelessness and smarmy patronization. If your asking, "...what should the ideal reserve section look like?", is designed to render me unable to provide the detailed minutiae vis. the logistics of an "ideal" reserve system, you have succeeded. I don't know, and therein lies the necessity for negotiators with no other agenda than aggressive advocation on behalf of the membership. And that means seniority counts for everyone. No exceptions. Securing a seniority-based reserve system will become even more imperative as new-hires will be on the property in coming months. Imagine the resentment of those of us who have been around, or furloughed, or displaced, or quick-called ad infinitum for years on end, being told, as the TA permits, that the grouping is closed, you'll be working the sixteen-leg four-day, and the eleven-years-your-junior rookie will take the three-day Rome trip.

Hear, Hear! You've really hit it!

See how RESERVE in PHL for Dec is 20+ years! Sorry but thats beyond deplorable!

 

[bailey72]

Here is the latest afa absurdity.

NEW HIRE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS

US Airways has announced the hiring of 350 Flight Attendants (beginning in January 2011) to be based in PHL, DCA and CLT.

While we are encouraged the company is now in the position to hire new Flight Attendants, The MEC is equally discouraged over the company’s intention to hire new Flight Attendants for our East bases at higher wages than our most junior West Flight Attendants with 4 years or less longevity. The starting wage for West Flight Attendants is $13,591.00 per year, while the starting wage for new hire East Flight Attendants is $17,441.16 per year.

The MEC presented the East MEC President a proposal that in effect would be a “reverse” Transition proposal. Just like the original Transition Agreement, the “reverse” proposal would offer the opportunity for a West Flight Attendant to transfer to an East base. The Flight Attendant would go to the bottom of the seniority list, while maintaining their longevity. No West Flight Attendant will bump an East Flight Attendant on the base seniority list.

Should there be an agreement with the East MEC, we will publish the proposal in its entirety.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Now that the cricket has gotten off the airplane, I do have to ask - does your seniority based reserve system for all F/As ( " seniority counts for everyone" ) include rotating reserve? Yes or no.