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I think I just saw some US wine glasses on Ebay, Oh, those were the real glass ones. Anyway, I think US could pretty much restock the airline from Ebay. Wouldn't have to worry about Chinese New Year then. Or, they could buy from a US made source. A penny more but you don't have to worry about the lead or the holiday. It is coming up in February so if they are coming it better be quick or the cycle will continue.
 
I don't know about the Jan 9 class, but I heard 48 of the 600plus VFLR are returning. I did find it interesting to hear that some of these offered to pay back the $10,000 to regain seniority. Company declined and f/a went to AFA who also said "No go, you signed a contract." They certainly don't know what they are in for. I have heard some reserve f/a say they were afraid recalls might try to use previous seniority on trips. I can't believe that would happen. Reserves on property now are certainly not new hires and I for one always know the seniority of the crew before I report for a trip.
Of these 48 Return-to-Duty/ "I took the Money and Ran,and Now I Changed My Mind" Group- it should be stipulated that THESE INDIVIDUALS get Employee Numbers that reflect their SUDDEN Juniority on Campus. They will certainly SHOW as RESERVE Status in the computer but for the average F/A that doesn't EAT,BREATHE &SLEEP Airline, they shouldn't have to be concerned with one of these 48 trying to Pull something over Anyone. (They may have HAD 25years when they Left, but NOW they are at the bottom of the food chain..........and I hope they understand that. And Accept it.)
 
Of these 48 Return-to-Duty/ "I took the Money and Ran,and Now I Changed My Mind" Group- it should be stipulated that THESE INDIVIDUALS get Employee Numbers that reflect their SUDDEN Juniority on Campus. They will certainly SHOW as RESERVE Status in the computer but for the average F/A that doesn't EAT,BREATHE &SLEEP Airline, they shouldn't have to be concerned with one of these 48 trying to Pull something over Anyone. (They may have HAD 25years when they Left, but NOW they are at the bottom of the food chain..........and I hope they understand that. And Accept it.)

I wasn't sure that they would get new employee numbers as I kept the same after furlough. If this is the case, that will make seniority more clear and cause less problems.
 
Regarding the recently released company pay proposal, I wonder if I am alone in smelling a rat. Something doesn't parse with me, the company proposal is egregiously low (no one, and I mean no one would ever consider a one-percent raise over 1996 rates a reasonable initial proposal), and suddenly, amidst a rising tide of demand for recall, Flores emerges as the incensed, heroic labor champion, convening unscheduled information meetings and issuing strongly worded we're-not-gonna-take-it proclamations. My thinking might be influenced by the number of times the flight attendants have been hornswoggled by both Flores and Parker, but wouldn't a wag-the-dog, invent-a-war-to-distract scenario be mutually beneficial? None of us have unfettered access to the way negotiations have proceeded for the last five-plus years, but I have to assume that ballpark pay rates must have come up at some point, yet Flores would have us believe that he was smacked with this information from left field, and his swift, strong reaction is completely antithetical to the mealy-mouthed equivocation we've become accustomed to. I've even heard, "Finally, he's doing something!" So, what about this could possibly benefit the company? Of course they know there isn't a chance in hell that a contract featuring those pay rates would be ratified, and I think they are very comfortable with Flores installed in his position, so the benefit is two-fold. Contract negotiations continue (prolonging the cost savings) and Flores, armed with newly invigorated pro-labor rhetoric, manages to quiet the swelling recall litany.
 
Regarding the recently released company pay proposal, I wonder if I am alone in smelling a rat. Something doesn't parse with me, the company proposal is egregiously low (no one, and I mean no one would ever consider a one-percent raise over 1996 rates a reasonable initial proposal), and suddenly, amidst a rising tide of demand for recall, Flores emerges as the incensed, heroic labor champion, convening unscheduled information meetings and issuing strongly worded we're-not-gonna-take-it proclamations. My thinking might be influenced by the number of times the flight attendants have been hornswoggled by both Flores and Parker, but wouldn't a wag-the-dog, invent-a-war-to-distract scenario be mutually beneficial? None of us have unfettered access to the way negotiations have proceeded for the last five-plus years, but I have to assume that ballpark pay rates must have come up at some point, yet Flores would have us believe that he was smacked with this information from left field, and his swift, strong reaction is completely antithetical to the mealy-mouthed equivocation we've become accustomed to. I've even heard, "Finally, he's doing something!" So, what about this could possibly benefit the company? Of course they know there isn't a chance in hell that a contract featuring those pay rates would be ratified, and I think they are very comfortable with Flores installed in his position, so the benefit is two-fold. Contract negotiations continue (prolonging the cost savings) and Flores, armed with newly invigorated pro-labor rhetoric, manages to quiet the swelling recall litany.

Among conspiracy theories this one actually is believable. Who Knows? Only Mr. Flores and the company so the truth may never present itself. But that is a seriously lacking proposal given all the other missteps that have been closed already. US does like to set itself up for failure though.
 
Regarding the recently released company pay proposal, I wonder if I am alone in smelling a rat. Something doesn't parse with me, the company proposal is egregiously low (no one, and I mean no one would ever consider a one-percent raise over 1996 rates a reasonable initial proposal), and suddenly, amidst a rising tide of demand for recall, Flores emerges as the incensed, heroic labor champion, convening unscheduled information meetings and issuing strongly worded we're-not-gonna-take-it proclamations. My thinking might be influenced by the number of times the flight attendants have been hornswoggled by both Flores and Parker, but wouldn't a wag-the-dog, invent-a-war-to-distract scenario be mutually beneficial? None of us have unfettered access to the way negotiations have proceeded for the last five-plus years, but I have to assume that ballpark pay rates must have come up at some point, yet Flores would have us believe that he was smacked with this information from left field, and his swift, strong reaction is completely antithetical to the mealy-mouthed equivocation we've become accustomed to. I've even heard, "Finally, he's doing something!" So, what about this could possibly benefit the company? Of course they know there isn't a chance in hell that a contract featuring those pay rates would be ratified, and I think they are very comfortable with Flores installed in his position, so the benefit is two-fold. Contract negotiations continue (prolonging the cost savings) and Flores, armed with newly invigorated pro-labor rhetoric, manages to quiet the swelling recall litany.

No you're not the only one to smell a rat. I couldn't agree with you more. My own conspiracy theory coincides with yours. There is absolutely nothing in our contract that requires five years of negotiations....NOTHING!!! Tempe never wanted a contract with AFA until they were able to fully realize all cost savings the East agreed to in BK2. With the expiration date of our contract coming next year, Tempe soon will achieve their goal. I believe there already is a TA agreed to and it is locked up somewhere between CLT and PHX. MF agreed to give Tempe their cost savings in exchange for a more favorable contract in 2011. Lip service and stall tactics no longer work. Frustration is at the brink and his MEC position seems to be in jeopardy, he had to do something...insert your post. Thank you for wording it so well. You're spot on!!!!!
 
Good Lord you people are dangeriously stupid!



Yes we are "danger - i-o-u-s-l-y stupid and we are also dangerously stupid mad! We are danger-i-o-u-s-l-y stupid mad UPNAWAY. And watch that coffee we serve you too.... Did you pass spelling in English 101 in Pilot School? Or did they skip that at the conservative religious school you obviously attended?
 
Good Lord you people are dangeriously stupid!
Usual pilot delusions of being all knowing.

Pilots sometimes confuse engineering with common sense.

I have several in my family who work for several different airlines They are more understanding of other work groups and don't try so hard to impose their views on others.

I love how pilots in this airline could care less about our problems unless it affects their pay or their girlfriends and lets face it they and f/a's have girlfriends.
 
Regarding the recently released company pay proposal, I wonder if I am alone in smelling a rat. Something doesn't parse with me, the company proposal is egregiously low (no one, and I mean no one would ever consider a one-percent raise over 1996 rates a reasonable initial proposal), and suddenly, amidst a rising tide of demand for recall, Flores emerges as the incensed, heroic labor champion, convening unscheduled information meetings and issuing strongly worded we're-not-gonna-take-it proclamations. My thinking might be influenced by the number of times the flight attendants have been hornswoggled by both Flores and Parker, but wouldn't a wag-the-dog, invent-a-war-to-distract scenario be mutually beneficial? None of us have unfettered access to the way negotiations have proceeded for the last five-plus years, but I have to assume that ballpark pay rates must have come up at some point, yet Flores would have us believe that he was smacked with this information from left field, and his swift, strong reaction is completely antithetical to the mealy-mouthed equivocation we've become accustomed to. I've even heard, "Finally, he's doing something!" So, what about this could possibly benefit the company? Of course they know there isn't a chance in hell that a contract featuring those pay rates would be ratified, and I think they are very comfortable with Flores installed in his position, so the benefit is two-fold. Contract negotiations continue (prolonging the cost savings) and Flores, armed with newly invigorated pro-labor rhetoric, manages to quiet the swelling recall litany.
The company proposal is not a proposal... it was already in the East Contract that we get the company's max proposal... so it is not an increase at all.... we already have it in out contract...
So What in the world do they think? We are not idiots... This was what my wage was agreed too already in my concessionary contract prior to the pos AWA took the helm... VOTE NO
VOTE NO... NO.... do you know how to spell NO???
 
Regarding the recently released company pay proposal, I wonder if I am alone in smelling a rat. Something doesn't parse with me, the company proposal is egregiously low (no one, and I mean no one would ever consider a one-percent raise over 1996 rates a reasonable initial proposal), and suddenly, amidst a rising tide of demand for recall, Flores emerges as the incensed, heroic labor champion, convening unscheduled information meetings and issuing strongly worded we're-not-gonna-take-it proclamations. My thinking might be influenced by the number of times the flight attendants have been hornswoggled by both Flores and Parker, but wouldn't a wag-the-dog, invent-a-war-to-distract scenario be mutually beneficial? None of us have unfettered access to the way negotiations have proceeded for the last five-plus years, but I have to assume that ballpark pay rates must have come up at some point, yet Flores would have us believe that he was smacked with this information from left field, and his swift, strong reaction is completely antithetical to the mealy-mouthed equivocation we've become accustomed to. I've even heard, "Finally, he's doing something!" So, what about this could possibly benefit the company? Of course they know there isn't a chance in hell that a contract featuring those pay rates would be ratified, and I think they are very comfortable with Flores installed in his position, so the benefit is two-fold. Contract negotiations continue (prolonging the cost savings) and Flores, armed with newly invigorated pro-labor rhetoric, manages to quiet the swelling recall litany.
Typically, pay rates are the last sections to be negotiated. They may have been talked about, but actually passing paper proposals back and forth is the end game.
I agree 100% that the company is using delay tactics to forestall wage/cost increases. In fact, I think they would prefer a strike so they could replace everyone.
I have no faith in the fairness or honesty of any of the upper management.
Have a happy holiday.
 
An "informational" meeting is scheduled in CLT on the 20th. Now what could they possibly have to say? I think that this is going to be a lot of "Look at me I'm Sandra Dee" smoke blowing, ego inflating, showboating by which our leadership has come to be known. Truth of the matter is that the Section 6 wasn't Mike's feet stomping. It's simply part of the process, folks. 😛
 
An "informational" meeting is scheduled in CLT on the 20th. Now what could they possibly have to say? I think that this is going to be a lot of "Look at me I'm Sandra Dee" smoke blowing, ego inflating, showboating by which our leadership has come to be known. Truth of the matter is that the Section 6 wasn't Mike's feet stomping. It's simply part of the process, folks. 😛


I'm not sure where you're from.....but an informational union meeting in CLT is just that.

There has been alot that has transpired recently and this needs to be passed on to our members.

Now you can just flame away all you want to.....Our leadership in CLT doesn't showboat. They do their job and they do it without a lot of drama.

If you want drama....go to Broadway.
 
I'm not sure where you're from.....but an informational union meeting in CLT is just that.

There has been alot that has transpired recently and this needs to be passed on to our members.

Now you can just flame away all you want to.....Our leadership in CLT doesn't showboat. They do their job and they do it without a lot of drama.

If you want drama....go to Broadway.

Well, I'm not from Farmville that's for sure. By the way, ARE you part of the leadership in CLT? Sure sounds like it. But you're right, there have been a LOT of events. The best one is that the DOL agreed with the challenge to the election and there's going to be a rerun of the LEC President's position. One more chance for us to oust the current Prez who doesn't showboat, has no drama and is apparently asleep at the wheel.
As for informing us of any new changes to the contract talks, I think we already know how that goes. Let's see, if I remember correctly, when a former LEC President from a closed base attended and asked questions he was told he had to leave. And when that didn't wash, I believe the MEC Pres.'s wife tried to close the meeting.
No, no showboating, blowing smoke going on in CLT!
 

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