IAM Fleet Service topic 6/14-6/20

[roadtrip]

One common thread, that runs through all practitioners of Unionism… is the fact that that through thick and thin… We all sick together!

You see this observation daily in this thread… The resolve of this Membership is phenomenal!

All jokes aside ... I’m proud to be acquainted with the likes of O-Man…Nelson…Roadtrip…Dirt…Rat…Redeye…â€33†…and the list goes on and on…

You guys have made this Membership’s voice heard!

I’m proud to have you as brothers!

Solidarity…

AMEN Brother! I Agree

 

[mike33]

One common thread, that runs through all practitioners of Unionism… is the fact that that through thick and thin… We all sick together!

You see this observation daily in this thread… The resolve of this Membership is phenomenal!

All jokes aside ... I’m proud to be acquainted with the likes of O-Man…Nelson…Roadtrip…Dirt…Rat…Redeye…â€33†…and the list goes on and on…

You guys have made this Membership’s voice heard!

I’m proud to have you as brothers!

Solidarity…

Ditto Roa....May the work ahead be a pleasureable one for all.

 

[mike33]

Free-dum

My suggestion for you is to go see the movie " Bra Boys "........it's about people who cover your back....Maybe you might learn a thing or two.

You don't have to worry about being 21. It's not that type of documentary !!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

mike ,
great Idea . Tim any thoughts on that is it plausible

My understanding is that the company is making a mockery of the union by not taking the dues out as the contract requires. Most new hires don't have dues taken out for months and even some for years.
Canale let this slide, IMO, in hopes to buy off the votes of those workers not paying dues. Why else would he instruct Payne to fly down to PHX and work out a deal to allow them to vote? I believe this involved several hundred between LAS and PHX alone. Involves many on the east side also. With Canale fired, politics should be over and everyone needs to pay their dues. No matter if it's a 1 year guy or 20 year guy, everyone should pay what they owe for the sake of the fellowship of the masses. Dave Atkinson will be the new secretary treasurer and I'm sure he will be 1000% more organized that Payne.

This is enforcable through the contract and it's about time we have a labor man that enforces ALL Parts of the contract. If the company continues to be slack concerning the dues check off then it should be sent to arbitration. It's in the agreement and it's non-negotiable.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[P. REZ]

My understanding is that the company is making a mockery of the union by not taking the dues out as the contract requires. Most new hires don't have dues taken out for months and even some for years.
Canale let this slide, IMO, in hopes to buy off the votes of those workers not paying dues. Why else would he instruct Payne to fly down to PHX and work out a deal to allow them to vote? I believe this involved several hundred between LAS and PHX alone. Involves many on the east side also. With Canale fired, politics should be over and everyone needs to pay their dues. No matter if it's a 1 year guy or 20 year guy, everyone should pay what they owe for the sake of the fellowship of the masses. Dave Atkinson will be the new secretary treasurer and I'm sure he will be 1000% more organized that Payne.

This is enforcable through the contract and it's about time we have a labor man that enforces ALL Parts of the contract. If the company continues to be slack concerning the dues check off then it should be sent to arbitration. It's in the agreement and it's non-negotiable.

Welcome to Dougie land. Sounds easy and we were about to arbitrate his dues practices when the merger occurred. Not easy, will have to take to arbitration.

 

[P. REZ]

Freedom,


US Airways Group Chairman and CEO Doug Parker stated, "Our first quarter results reflect the extremely high fuel prices that are affecting our entire industry. The large losses posted by U.S. airlines this quarter, the forecast for further losses and the recent liquidations and bankruptcies of a number of carriers, indicate quite clearly that the U.S. airline industry is in financial turmoil.

"Fortunately, US Airways has taken steps to prepare for this environment. We have a solid balance sheet with significant cash on hand, minimal debt payments through 2013, and our employees have made extraordinary progress in our operational improvement plan. As we move forward, we are continuing to keep capacity in check, exploring opportunities to generate additional sources of revenue, modifying our pricing structure, and reducing our capital expenditures," continued Parker.

Revenue Initiatives and Capacity Reductions

To mitigate the impact of a softening economy and the material cost increase from rising fuel prices, US Airways has begun implementing a number of new initiatives. These include 'a la carte' pricing, which generate additional revenue by unbundling products and services and charging only those customers who chose to utilize those services. For example, customers who check more than one piece of luggage can do so by paying for that service. Likewise, customers who wish to select a premium aisle or window seat near the front of the coach cabin, now have the opportunity to pre-select and purchase that seat.


This is Dougie's statement he made April 24, 2008 after posting $260 million loss. In January the headlines were talking about $4.00 a gallon gas and the mortgage mess was well known and the talk of recession had been in the air for months. Dougie offered us this POS contract knowing all of this. He is not coming back for concessions and if he does F him. The 19 field stations will never come back once you give that up. You can bet your life savings on that.

P. Rez

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Hey fellas. Just a question-

Was your homeboy RANDY in charge when he negotiated your last bankruptcy contract? I understand cutting your genitals in half so the company can stay afloat is hard, but how did you guys feel at the time?

What are we going to do when we go into BK again?

Are we going to stick to our guns, and tell them to go pi$$ up a rope, we aren't giving any more concessions?

What is the unions legal obligation to come negotiate a bankruptcy contract? Will we drag this out for 4 years like the company did to US? I sure hope so!

To be perfectly honest, in a bankruptcy, I would have a huge problem giving them anything back for the way we have been treated these past few years.

 

[necigrad]

Freedom,


US Airways Group Chairman and CEO Doug Parker stated, "Our first quarter results reflect the extremely high fuel prices that are affecting our entire industry. The large losses posted by U.S. airlines this quarter, the forecast for further losses and the recent liquidations and bankruptcies of a number of carriers, indicate quite clearly that the U.S. airline industry is in financial turmoil.

"Fortunately, US Airways has taken steps to prepare for this environment. We have a solid balance sheet with significant cash on hand, minimal debt payments through 2013, and our employees have made extraordinary progress in our operational improvement plan. As we move forward, we are continuing to keep capacity in check, exploring opportunities to generate additional sources of revenue, modifying our pricing structure, and reducing our capital expenditures," continued Parker.

Revenue Initiatives and Capacity Reductions

To mitigate the impact of a softening economy and the material cost increase from rising fuel prices, US Airways has begun implementing a number of new initiatives. These include 'a la carte' pricing, which generate additional revenue by unbundling products and services and charging only those customers who chose to utilize those services. For example, customers who check more than one piece of luggage can do so by paying for that service. Likewise, customers who wish to select a premium aisle or window seat near the front of the coach cabin, now have the opportunity to pre-select and purchase that seat.


This is Dougie's statement he made April 24, 2008 after posting $260 million loss. In January the headlines were talking about $4.00 a gallon gas and the mortgage mess was well known and the talk of recession had been in the air for months. Dougie offered us this POS contract knowing all of this. He is not coming back for concessions and if he does F him. The 19 field stations will never come back once you give that up. You can bet your life savings on that.

P. Rez

Unfortunatly Freedom already bet those 19 stations members life savings, so he doesn't need to bet his own. Freedom got his raise, hes fat now and didn't need to bet anything of his. Well, his integrity, but you need to have something to lose it.

 

[700UW]

If a company files Chapter 11 then a Section 1113 Notice any union is forced to negotiate with the company. If no agreement is reached the judge can abrogate the current CBA (which happened to Fleet and M&R during the last chapter 11), the company then is free to impose anything they want or offer a final CBA have the membership vote on it.

 

[roabilly]

If a company files Chapter 11 then a Section 1113 Notice any union is forced to negotiate with the company. If no agreement is reached the judge can abrogate the current CBA (which happened to Fleet and M&R during the last chapter 11), the company then is free to impose anything they want or offer a final CBA have the membership vote on it.

Geeeee…

Are you kiddin’?

We never knew that was possible…

Thanks for the enlightenment on this obscure revelation… I’m certain no one on this board remembers, or is aware that this is actually feasible !

Our short term, and long term memory… has deteriorated from heavy PC use …
along with the Union, and Company propaganda that has flooded our brains.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hey fellas. Just a question-

Was your homeboy RANDY in charge when he negotiated your last bankruptcy contract? I understand cutting your genitals in half so the company can stay afloat is hard, but how did you guys feel at the time?

What are we going to do when we go into BK again?

Are we going to stick to our guns, and tell them to go pi$$ up a rope, we aren't giving any more concessions?

What is the unions legal obligation to come negotiate a bankruptcy contract? Will we drag this out for 4 years like the company did to US? I sure hope so!

To be perfectly honest, in a bankruptcy, I would have a huge problem giving them anything back for the way we have been treated these past few years.

Legally, the contract can be reopened with mutual consent before the duration runs out. Canale attempted to do just that 5 times and has never waited for the duration date that triggers section 6.
In bankruptcy, see 700's post.
So what about the new AGC's, will they be like Canale?
Let me tell you a story.
When selecting which members from US AIRWAYS to run for these officer positions, the decision was clear.....get members who have integrity, character, and a dogged determination to serve justice. The selection 'folks' of the New Direction team from the US AIRWAYS side couldn't give a rat's arse about titles. It was clear, ask members who had the character I just spoke of, or forget about an opposition ticket. Bottom line. The masses want officers that empower them and allow their voice to be heard, the masses are not impressed with titles. Communicating this matter was part of the New Direction campaign strategy.
There were plenty of Local Prez', Local Chairman, to consider but most of them from the US AIRWAYS side were 'bought' men or flat out pu**ies, and just dont' understand [there are a few exceptions like PJ, Fairbanks, etc]. Plus, we knew if we asked members who had the respect from the masses that the rank and file would support our ticket for change and not listen to his/her Canale supporting Local Chairman. This is how you do it if you want change, and this is how it was done. A few good men to serve the masses. It's called enpowering the masses.
Nielsen, Handlow, O'Donnel, Crowell didn't even have a position [crowell just got elected committeeman]. Further, these guys are also bright and educated and have served the membership in other previous capacities. Hughes was the only one that had a title, VP, and that guy has done a ton for his PIT local over the years in that capacity.

That being said, I think this company is in a world of 'baby doo doo' if it thinks it will be able to reopen the contract that it begged for. Clearly, it won't be the Canale business as usual where he floats out of the hotel and has 'meetings with management' away from the negotiations team.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[rat tales]

If a company files Chapter 11 then a Section 1113 Notice any union is forced to negotiate with the company. If no agreement is reached the judge can abrogate the current CBA (which happened to Fleet and M&R during the last chapter 11), the company then is free to impose anything they want or offer a final CBA have the membership vote on it.

I am imagining a man who is standing near someone who is swinging a bat. He knows that he will be struck in the head, but stands there anyways. He feels that it is inevitable and futile to move so there he stands whack! whack! whack!
If that is your bargaining technique then please remain with your Bakers Union. We all know you were there because you self admiringly have posted that tidbit 11,000 times.
You have also revealed to us that you can't adapt and take a different tac. You will stand there and take a beating from the Company because all you can see is that you don't know what to do.

Question: If you are a member of a union that is made up of Bakers and Tobacco workers, does that make you half baked?

 

[700UW]

I guess you dont understand the law and section 1113, we lived it once.

This section of the bankruptcy code provides the following parameters:

Prior to filing to reject a Contract, the debtor must make a proposal to the Union that details all of the modifications “necessary†to restructure while also assuring that all creditors and affected parties are treated “fairly and equitably.â€

The debtor must provide the Union with relevant information necessary to evaluate the debtor’s proposal.

Both parties are required to meet, at a reasonable time, to confer in “good faith†in an attempt to reach mutual agreement on modifications to the Contract.

Once the debtor officially files a Section 1113© motion with the court, a hearing will be scheduled to occur within 14 days after the filing date unless the parties mutually agree to a later date or the court determines a need to extend the hearing date according to the circumstances of the case. The bankruptcy judge will make a ruling on the motion within 30-days of the hearing. Discussions between the company and the Union may continue in an effort to work toward a consensual agreement up to the date of the court ruling.

Absent a consensual agreement and assuming the debtor has met the parameters listed above, the court will approve the rejection of the Contract if:

the Union has refused to accept such proposal without “good cause†(as determined by the court including the parameters listed above); and the court determines that the concessions of other constituencies in the bankruptcy is commensurate to those made by labor .

Section 1113(e) Motion Review
Section 1113 (e) allows a debtor to ask the court for temporary or interim relief on an emergency basis. The Company must show that the changes sought are “essential to the continuation of the debtor’s business†or needed “to avoid irreparable damage†to the Company. Unlike the bankruptcy code under Section 1113©, the court has more latitude to determine the application of changes to a collective bargaining agreement.

Example:

On October 15, 2004, US Airways employees experience the effects of a Section 1113(e) motion when after several days of hearings that included arguments from the Union, the court imposed a 21% pay cut in addition to a few other productivity modifications on all employee groups except the pilots who had reached a consensual agreement for permanent cuts through the Section 1113© process. The court also ruled that the emergency cuts remain in place for a period of four months while US Airways seeks permanent cuts through a Section 1113© process.

While the example of Section 1113 at US Airways helps us understand the Bankruptcy Code.

 

[rat tales]

Whack! Whack! Whack!

 

[mike33]

I guess you dont understand the law and section 1113, we lived it once.

700

Thats great. " you lived it once ". Great. I think alot of people know the process...Bottom line is notification isn't until July 2011 or so. Until then,

eat well, sleep well, play well. What we got is what we have. Our focus until then is to prepare and prepare we will.



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