IAM Fleet Service topic

[mike33]

HELLLOOOOO meger starting in possibly a month and a half...

Helllooooo us ecomony getting worse as time progresess!!! helloooooooooooo

( drops T**p*n now )

 

[robbedagain]

i tried to explain that but didnt listen that POS says AFTER DATE OF RATIFICATION

 

[pjirish317]

DF,

Please stop with the "fight another day" speeches. We are tired of them. What makes you think the we will be in section 6 in 2011. The I'LL ASK MANAGEMENT has shown that its a "company's" union, not a "workers" union. Just look at what you guys did to the HP people. Agreed with the company to pursue a transition instead of section 6 and transition bargaining going on side by side, or at the very least, section 6 alone, our CBA is not ammendable untill dec 31, 2009. Why should we trust you now. If this merger goes through, wouldn't we be stronger together bargaining as 1 with UA through section 6 and not transition. Correct me if I am wrong, but with transition talks, we can't strike, unlike traditional talks, right? Why would we want to give up that leverage. Oh I forgot WE didn't, YOU did. Who's to say you won't do it again?

 

[The Bagfather]

I have another question for anybody in the west. Who does the catering in the west stations?

In SAN it's contract. Cleaning is now contract but nobody is complaining.
Up until the merger we did the cleaning, but it was only on RONs. We
had no long hauls.

I'm too tired to look it up right now but it seems to me that at one
time we got DT after 12 hrs.

 

[john john]

Ah yes , those same brothers your going to stab in the back via the sixty day rule in the event of a merger?

How very brotherly of you!

Who is stabbing whom? The IAM fleet service at USAirway is the only IAM employee group in the airline industry to have the 60-day rule. The IAM fleet service group is the only airline employee union group period that has the 60-day rule.
How very brotherly of the IAM
Does mechanic and relative get DT after 12 hrs

 

[necigrad]

I don't think West does Catering at all, it's all LSG Skychefs.

I'm too tired to look it up right now but it seems to me that at one
time we got DT after 12 hrs.

Not on the TWU CBA. You might have if it was part of the CA living wage law, but that's it. Of course, back in the pre union days you could get some crazy OT. I got paid 3 hours for 45 minutes all the time.

 

[orioleman]

HELLLOOOOO meger starting in possibly a month and a half...

Helllooooo us ecomony getting worse as time progresess!!! helloooooooooooo

ok freedom for the last time I will try and explain this to you.

You are correct the first bullet screws anyone already out. if effects those going forward. Now this it where it gets tricky,

the 3rd bullet states "if an employees's furlough station remains closed and the employee is recalled to their selected recall station

"PRIOR TO OEI " , such employee will be placed on the pay scale consistent with their pay date sen. at date of furlough.

NOW what that means is If your recalled to your recall or original station PRIOR TO OEI you will be placed on your payscale.

if your recalled AFTER OEI . looks like your back to 9.00 bucks an hour..

THOSE three words were added this time for a reason. It's all smoke and mirrors. And as a steward when someone comes

to me in 6 months and says why am I only getting 9.00 bucks an hour . I will have to tell them because thats what our POS contract

says. Don't believe . just wait and see.

listen to your own contradictions . "Hello merger starting" . So your answer is YES lets throw away our MERGER PROTECTIONS.

WTF

 

[redeye]

I agree that the focus should be on a merger. But I think that is a reason to vote yes. You must ask yourself if US AIRWAYS is a stand alone carrier. Oil at record highs? Stock so low? Economy in disarray? Hundreds of millions in losses? Now isn't the time, have some patience and wait till 2011 when the economy might bounce back and we can go in to traditional negotiations and bargain for the contract everyone deserves.

Without a ratification, you may be without a merger partner. United Airlines is not impressed with keeping the west side scope and the Change in Control. It wouldn't surprise me if they walked away because of it. A big risk for no voters to take for 8,000 households. Without United, many might be without a job.

Districtforce,

Please add this to Randy's list.
As reported to me by a person present during Randy's speech in
JAX, Randy made the statement that he was against this merger. You need
to express maybe to Randy that he should bring back a T/A that has more
job protections that we can all agree with passing. Then we can be sure that
we will be ready to be at the table for a merger. We accepted the IAM as our
representative to represent our fleet members as US. Randy is pushing to many
members over the cliff to fit his own agenda at UA and it is not right.
Maybe the grand lodge can assign someone else who would not have a conflict
of interests with our group.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
whats your take on this any merit to my reasoning on this.??

The language is regards to 'drop dead' outsourcing language only, which is bad enough. However, the problem comes much sooner than 2011. Most of these stations, as you know from history, will never see 2011. The company will shut them down and reopen them, perhaps even shut them down and move the work to United. This contract language is useless and a smoke screen in most situations.
Kinda like the catering clause in the previous contract that guaranteed catering wouldn't be contracted out until 2004 in midsize stations. As soon as the contract was signed, catering was gone. As Local Chairman, many said, "But I thought we had catering until 2004?" ORD was one of them and I can tell you that we lost catering in 2001. Many of these stations will be toast in 6 months, they just don't know it.
The current west scope provides real language that forces a company to rehire and recall all workers to a particular station. None of this goofy language

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[orioleman]

PJ,
don't you know "live to fight another day " really means wait until I am retired and gone . so that I don't have to grow

some B*lls that I never had. These district bozos just want to keep amending and keep locking us into extension long enough

for them to get out. that way they don't have to really work hard and fight for the membership for which we pay them to do.

it's called passing the buck. 😱

 

[The Bagfather]

PERV: I think you're onto something significant when you talk about
the 50% plus one mentality. Someone else pointed out that 51%
of the vote could represent an smaller percentage of the total workforce.

Just today I was reading the Frank Lorenzo-Eastern Airline book. In it
the figure of IAM leader Charley Bryant(sic?) comes up. He was said
to have never put his name to a contract unless he was absolutely sure
that it no one would experience a loss and it would be good for all. No
quick negotiations for this guy. Mabey a little extreme but we've got
the opposite. Randy seems to be overly willing to sign his name to anything
that, as you say, might pass by 50% plus one. I don't know
if this guy Bryant(sic?) ever got a company to sign one of his contracts
but I bet if he did the vote for ratification was huge in favor
700..you gotta know all about this. Anyway what I would like to
see is something between these two extremes.

I don't know who it was that called some of us the "hard core" NO votes.
I don't think that's a fair assessment at all. That guy Bryant(sic?), he
was hardcore.

 

[orioleman]

DF,
"Now isn't the time, have some patience and wait till 2011 when the economy might bounce back and we can go in to traditional negotiations and bargain for the contract everyone deserves."

For crying out loud . that was the same speech you gave back in 05 except your using the "High price of oil" (thats called hedging

I do believe I read the company rag and it said US was hedged for 71.00 a barrel) "stock so low" thats not the UNIONS problem

thats the companys. and as far as the economy goes. for god sake . all the more reason to fight for YOUR MEMBERSHIP to get

the a decent wage to live off of. Tommy boy . you need to come up with some new stuff.

 

[orioleman]

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[pjirish317]

DF,

Why do you always dodge the hard to answer questions? When your beloved I'LL ASK MANAGEMENT'S integrity is called to question? All I asked is, do we have the leverage to strike with traditional negotiations, as opposed to transition negotiations? And wouldn't we be stronger with UA with us as one? Or will the I'LL ASK MANAGEMENT throw its members under the bus again and side with the company and pursue transitional negotiations instead of section six?

 

[pjirish317]

Check again Oman, you are geetting slow in your OLD age!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!