IAM Fleet Service topic

[freedom]

I found these on the internet so they must be true……

http://www.rense.com/general81/pure.htm
Perhaps 60% Of Today's
Oil Price Is Pure Speculation
By F. William Engdahl
5-3-8

The price of crude oil today is not made according to any traditional relation of supply to demand. It's controlled by an elaborate financial market system as well as by the four major Anglo-American oil companies. As much as 60% of today's crude oil price is pure speculation driven by large trader banks and hedge funds. It has nothing to do with the convenient myths of Peak Oil. It has to do with control of oil and its price.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9...;show_article=1
The country's economic growth during January through March was the same as in the final three months of last year, the Commerce Department reported Wednesday. The statistic did not meet what economists consider the classic definition of a recession, which is a retraction of the economy. This means that although the economy is stuck in a rut, it is still managing to grow, even if modestly.

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzbush0...0,4502200.story
Bush: No recession, just 'very slow economy'

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...refer=worldwide
Buffett Says Credit Crisis Ebbs for Wall Street Firms

If that's your way of trying to tell me that the economy is going to be fine and the price of oil is going to drop like a rock then can you tell me what Santa is going to be brining me as well this year ?

Perhaps no one told you , but there’s a full fledged war/occupation going on over in IRAQ , and that happens to be one of the worlds major oil producing countries , oh also it’s right by the OTHER ones as well…. If IRAQ destabilizes the instability in the area will spread .. The price of oil will go ever higher too …

China and India are also emerging countries that are now guzzling more and more gas as well , hey question for you , what two countries have the worlds largest populations ? Oh that’s right , china and India ! …


Oil might be slightly over inflated , but it’s not a bubble and it’s certainly not going to pop anytime soon .. And guess what , the higher the price of oil goes up , the less money you and I have to spend on stuff here in this country , that’s why ,economic numbers or not , most everyone I talk to THINKS there’s a recession , and that’s all it takes to make one … we will go into a recession , not to mention the other facts that I’m not going to bring out , most of our workers read the papers , they know what’s going down … please don’t try to tell me everything is sunshine and love when the sky is raining down on me .

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well gee tim , if they won’t just ROLL us in then, why should we assume we can just ROLL in now , doesn’t your BIG picture advocate a roll into united ?
The only thing that’s not BIG about your picture is that
1 . It won’t be that easy
And
2 . Until your contract expires on DEC 31 2009 , united may hold you to that and cut cut cut away at your precious east fleet service in attempts to counter the ever rising costs of fuel .

Freedom, you must reread the big picture because right now it seems you're just seeing the left hand corner.

I'm not sure I follow why you believe US AIRWAYS or United would rather wait for traditional negotiations next year which will weaken their hand, as opposed to being reasonable in transiton talks? Traditional talks would give us and united members a better bargaining positon, and the CIC and west scope would provide the much needed leverage and protections that this contract doesn't. To vote yes will 'lock us in' and doom us for the next decade.

The Big Picture: Informational newsletter on United Airlines ramp and this vote

click above link. Maximize to 100%. copy both sides. Copy, post, distribute everywhere.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[orioleman]

Sorry O-Man for parking in your upper tree branch.

the speedbird can land there anytime. "flock of a feather stick together"

it's that little leprachan that gets my feathers all ruffled

 

[freedom]

Freedom, you must reread the big picture because right now it seems you're just seeing the left hand corner.

I'm not sure I follow why you believe US AIRWAYS or United would rather wait for traditional negotiations next year which will weaken their hand, as opposed to being reasonable in transiton talks? Traditional talks would give us and united members a better bargaining positon, and the CIC and west scope would provide the much needed leverage and protections that this contract doesn't. To vote yes will 'lock us in' and doom us for the next decade.

The Big Picture: Informational newsletter on United Airlines ramp and this vote

click above link. Maximize to 100%. copy both sides. Copy, post, distribute everywhere.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Why have a transition ?

If the company transitions you right away they won’t have a year and a half to lay waste to you ….

What does your scope say ? Something about X amount of flights over the course of a year to outsource ?


No tim , this company will need at LEAST a year to draw down the flights at the class two cities and the smaller class one hubs so that they can outsource them ….


Your COC is worthless if this company structures the merger in the right way …

p.s they won't rush cutting you up ... their gonna take their time ... and as the price of oil goes up they will cut you more ...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Contract Update: Non-Covered stations in the Untited Contract

When considering your vote on Thursday, it is wise to consider the ramifications of voting yes and silencing your voice for the next decade. Especially in 'non-covered' UA stations.
The following US East stations are NOT covered stations and would require you to leave under the UA contract:
PBI, PVD, BDL, RDU, MSY, DFW, JAX, MHT, CMH, IND, MIA.

It is true that United has its own employees working some of these stations but they are Public Contact people under the ticket counter scope. Any workers in these stations who are 'swept in' with a yes vote and have their voice silenced for a decade will be subject to being eliminated from their current non-covered station or starting 'day 1' under another contract. It's in the agreement.

The Big Picture

Click the link above, maximize to 100%, copy both sides, copy and distribute in your station so your workers can be informed of information related to United.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[freedom]

Contract Update: Non-Covered stations in the Untited Contract

When considering your vote on Thursday, it is wise to consider the ramifications of voting yes and silencing your voice for the next decade. Especially in 'non-covered' UA stations.
The following US East stations are NOT covered stations and would require you to leave under the UA contract:
PBI, PVD, BDL, RDU, MSY, DFW, JAX, MHT, CMH, IND, MIA.

It is true that United has its own employees working some of these stations but they are Public Contact people under the ticket counter scope. Any workers in these stations who are 'swept in' with a yes vote and have their voice silenced for a decade will be subject to being eliminated from their current non-covered station or starting 'day 1' under another contract. It's in the agreement.

The Big Picture

Click the link above, maximize to 100%, copy both sides, copy and distribute in your station so your workers can be informed of information related to United.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

P rez , can you look at tim's statment here , something doesn't seem right about this , what are you thoughts on this ? something strikes me as very "wrong " about this threat ....

Also to all of the workers in those stations , for you on the east , all the YES vote does is stregthen your scope slighly am i right ?

Isn't tim's point about the TA is that it's substandard and doesn't DO much for you , that means it doesn't make too many changes , which i think is true , look at the TA then compare it to your current contract ... the changes from one to another aren't that radical ... if fact there really are not that many ....

So tell me , if not much changes with the NEW TA in your contract , how will what you have now , which is pretty much what you will have after you vote yes help you from NOT being outsourced ?

Tim , what are you saying here ? that if they vote yes they will get outsourced? and if they vote no they won't get outsourced? wow show me in their current contract what's there that will PROTECT them that will NOT protect them with the new TA...

PVD brothers and sisters , pay attention to this .

 

[dexter]

Flight attendants rally against yet another merger for Usairways with United Airlines.
They cannot even transition us in how long?
Former Usairways Customer Service suffering from TA signed off. Thousands underpaid in comparison with former AWA who did not take an adjustment in pay.

Pilots raging over date of hire seniority.
Mechanics give in but will finally become IBT with the merger.
Flight attendants hanging in there and refuse less because the "company" is making money.

For our fellow brothers and sisters in fleet, VOTE NO FOR THIS TRANSITION AGREEMENT ! DO NOT LET THE COMPANY DO THE SAME TO YOU AS THEY DID TO US. STAY SOLID, DON"T SETTLE FOR LESS> BARGAIN A "NEW CBA" IN 2009.

VOTE NO. THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO SAVE YOURSELVES FOR ANOTHR 6-8 YEARS.

THE COMPANY WANTS>>>>YOU TO VOTE YES????? THAT MEANS DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS THAT YOU MUST VOTE NO>

 

[cltrat]

Come to the dark side for a minute if you would brothers ….

Let us ask our selves if we were a CEO of this merged company , what would be the most beneficial thing to do to reduce costs ?

Well if I were the CEO , the first group of workers I’d want to cut would be my most senior workers … their the ones who cost me the most , from pension to health insurance …

First I’d start with the east coast which is rife with seniority , I now have duplicate HUBS over there that I don’t need , so who to get rid of first ?

PHL I have to keep , it makes too much money , I can make cuts there , but nothing dramatic , CLT however I’m going to cut to the very bone … the reason I’m going to do this is multi fold , first of all , when it comes to my ramp agents while I have other HUBS on the east coast , their full of workers hired pre 1994 , and their contract makes it too hard for me to get rid of them , it’s a pain rather , so I won’t bother , however I know the CLT workers are disposed of permanently once they get cut , I will NEVER have to worry about brining them back once I get rid of them , those costs I can remove from my balance sheet for good .. The second reason I’m going to get rid of CLT are it’s east coast pilots , their too dangerous , too militant and too united , the fewer I have of them the better , otherwise I will end up with the best paid pilots in the industry and that’s not a good thing ….

Moving on to the West coast I also have too many hubs out there , someone needs to go , but now I’m paying attention to my costs again … DEN and SFO are expensive to keep , everything from landing charges to senior employees .. But if I look at PHX , it’s employee’s on average are not senior therefore I save a TON more money by keeping them , also the airport has far less weather problems than DEN and SFO …. By getting rid of either DEN or SFO , I can also pretend to look as if I’m cutting this company back in a fair manner .. It’s win win for me ..

Now on to the field stations and the mini hubs , when it comes to fleet service , I will simply try to eliminate the east coast wherever possible , with the west , I’ll do so when I feel it’s cost effective as that most of the workers in the west field stations don’t even have more than 5 years in , it’s still cost effective to keep them … With our smaller mini hubs , ill try to reduce them below 69 flights daily and then contract them out … either way I will be saving millions upon millions of dollars .

keep living in your fantasy world you lose more cred by the minute and don't call us your brothers

 

[freedom]

Flight attendants rally against yet another merger for Usairways with United Airlines.
They cannot even transition us in how long?
Former Usairways Customer Service suffering from TA signed off. Thousands underpaid in comparison with former AWA who did not take an adjustment in pay.

Pilots raging over date of hire seniority.
Mechanics give in but will finally become IBT with the merger.
Flight attendants hanging in there and refuse less because the "company" is making money.

For our fellow brothers and sisters in fleet, VOTE NO FOR THIS TRANSITION AGREEMENT ! DO NOT LET THE COMPANY DO THE SAME TO YOU AS THEY DID TO US. STAY SOLID, DON"T SETTLE FOR LESS> BARGAIN A "NEW CBA" IN 2009.

VOTE NO. THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO SAVE YOURSELVES FOR ANOTHR 6-8 YEARS.

THE COMPANY WANTS>>>>YOU TO VOTE YES????? THAT MEANS DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS THAT YOU MUST VOTE NO>

Dexter , do you know about our sixty day rule ? have you educated yourself on our matters or are just popping in to spread sunshine and love ,

NOT voting this in could cause much greif to MANY of our workers ....

 

[P. REZ]

Freedom,

Oil might be slightly over inflated , but it’s not a bubble and it’s certainly not going to pop anytime soon .. And guess what , the higher the price of oil goes up , the less money you and I have to spend on stuff here in this country , that’s why ,economic numbers or not , most everyone I talk to THINKS there’s a recession , and that’s all it takes to make one … we will go into a recession , not to mention the other facts that I’m not going to bring out , most of our workers read the papers , they know what’s going down … please don’t try to tell me everything is sunshine and love when the sky is raining down on me .


Yes, oil is high because of the war in Iraq, China, India etc. but slightly over inflated? You never know for sure but enough experts are taking both sides of the argument. Oil is a hot commodity now just like housing was a few years ago. This market is controlled by big money and if big money sees the end of oil for whatever reason you will see oil drop like a ton of bricks. When, before the last couple of years, did you see oil rise because of a hurricane? Oil has been hot and could continue for awhile. But, it could come crashing down too at some point. Who knows for sure? If I did I could make coin on that knowledge by shorting oil. I have been paying attention to the stock market for several years and have seen that something gets hot and is artificially driven up, then loses interest and drops. Look at CROX, UA, gold, housing, bonds etc.

Oil and the economy isn't scaring me to vote yes, it's the time value of money and the thought that I might be stuck at $15.20 for 2 or 3 or more years while we integrate into UA.

Remember folks, vote yes on this POS mo-fo


Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[Tim Nelson]

Why have a transition ?
Your COC is worthless...

Twisted logic IMO that is not supported by any evidence.
I think your ideas and expressions that Hemenway is really just trying to 'clean the contract up' by removing the CIC and that the CIC is really worthless is a witness to your yes vote. Indeed, I see why you are voting yes although I don't know where you get this stuff.

I wish we had some company negotiators that thought it was worthless because then we wouldn't have to worry about taking it out.

At any rate, a merger is nothing to take lightly and to have full knowledge of a merger and still lay down all merger protections and west scope for United is the equivalence of 'career suicide'.

The Big Picture

Click link above. Maximize to 100%, copy both sides, make hundreds of copies to distribute so your members can have information on United and this vote.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[freedom]

keep living in your fantasy world you lose more cred by the minute and don't call us your brothers

If you think I’m HARSH with my views of what could happen , just WAIT till these CEO’S that you love so much get their greedy paws on you and yours ….


You think I’M bad ? HA …..



At least I’m HONEST about all of this …. I must really be quite an annoyance to you super senior guys I guess …

I’m sorry that I’m presenting a different realistic view of things that could happen …I should just be quite and go lay down in front of the bus with the others…. 🙄

 

[freedom]

Twisted logic IMO that is not supported by any evidence.

{so on and so forth }


regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

I guess in your world the arbiters decision doesn’t exist ..

 

[cltrat]

the CE0's we love???LOLOLOL you're the one slurping the DP koolaid you are unreal I am done with you you are a waste of everyones time with your distorted fantasies rest assured "brother" CLT ain't going anywhere

 

[orioleman]

Folks ,
Freedom has had 1 to many kool aids. Joe you talk about sluuuuuuuuring . this person has obviously blown

a fuse . and to think He accused Us easties of siting around on the boards all day. lets see 10 post in the last 1hr .

all of which makes no sense just utter babble I think it's his way of throwing a fit.


For you westies that have respect and faith in RR running for your VP at large . You might want to think about who he has in

his camp. If he associates himself with the likes of a FREEDOM fighter that obviously has lost it. then you may want to think

about some of his other judgement calls........

freedom I believe it's nap time you seem a little cranky